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Alt Text“At the heart of Batman’s being, like all theater kids, is a boundless narcissism that eats away at his core.”

ExplanationMany versions of Batman have a strict “no killing” rule, which is exactly the kind of intuition the Trolley Problem is attacking. Why is it different to actively kill someone vs passively letting five people die? In particular, Batman’s version seems to be a sort of “honor code”, which something close to a moral system, but it is entirely inward looking. In other words, fulfilling the honor system doesn’t do good for the world, it elevates the status of the honorable man. In a sense it’s the worst possible way to answer a moral question, “I want to kill the five people because I personally would lose something (my honor)”. Also its pretty showy to dress up as a bat. One might even call him a weirdo.

Transcript8 Panel Comic

Panel 1: The Riddler stands at the lever explaining his setup of the classic Trolley Problem. Tied to one track are 5 people, and tied to the diverted track is 1 person. A trolley is prepared to mow down the 5 people unless the lever is pulled, diverting it to the path with one person.

Riddler: Alright Batman riddle me this. A trolley is moving down this track and is going to kill five people, but if you switch tracks it will only kill one, do you pull the lever?

Panel 2: Batman shakes his fist at the Riddler

Batman: Curse your implausible games, Riddler!

Panel 3: Batman hesitates in front of the lever, his hand shaking.

Batman: The right thing to do is save five people, but I have sworn to my code of ethics to never kill!

Panel 4: The Riddler exults in the devious dilemma delaying Batman’s decision.

Batman: I cannot do it! I cannot be the one to kill directly!

Riddler: Looks like the Batman has failed Philosophy 101! HAHAHAHAHA!

Panel 5: Batman watches as the trolley splatters 5 people across the track as the Riddler continues in his exultations.

Panel 6: Batman now sits in his Batcave as his Alfred arrives with his dinner on a covered tray.

Alfred: But what I don’t understand Sir, is how upholding your moral code can have more value than their lives?

Panel 7: Batman smoking a cigarette puts on his best grizzled and hard boiled face.

Batman: Because I’m a narcissist, Alfred. I value my own ego above everything, and I didn’t want to lose the “no killing” thing, because I like bragging about it. That’s all.

Panel 8: Alfred is shocked at Batman’s response.

Alfred: Really, I never thought so…

Batman: I dress up as a bat to fight crime. Of course I’m a narcissist. Your kind of a moron, Alfred, honestly.

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[–] 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Depends on the timeline. There is one comic series where Jason does actually kill Joker.

But what most people tend to think of is Under the Red Hood from 2010, where Jason is kidnapped and beaten by the Joker in the beginning before supposedly murdered. He survives in secret, returns as the Red Hood, and at a confrontation with Batman discusses how he's upset that Joker could kill him and that Bruce refuses to kill the Joker in return.

It's a common theme. In another timeline one iteration of Selina leaves Bruce because he was willing to risk their lives to save the Riddler despite how he was entirely responsible for the situation that got himself killed.

You know who does kill Joker in a lot of timelines though? Superman. He usually ends up going a bit authoritarian afterwards but Bruce will even admit in some of those situations that Joker's death is necessary.

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    You know who does kill Joker in a lot of timelines though? Superman. He usually ends up going a bit authoritarian afterwards

    I really liked the Injustice arc

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago

    Injustice was really solid as long as you focus on the main cast. I do think a lot of people were disappointed with how Damian was handled.

    There's also the Justice Lords, where Batman reluctantly complies with Superman's regime and where Superman's preferred method of punishment is lobotomizing villains.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    Unironically, Injustice was good until Chapter 5(?) Where Superman and WW show up to forcibly break up a protest against their actions

    Up until then they were doing actual good. But of course every story has to go "absolute power corrupts" OT whatever and before you know it

    SpoilerSuperman becomes a Yellow Lantern to McGuffin him surviving getting shot with a Kryptonite bullet, and his half of the JLA still support him unconditionally

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