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[–] 139 points 1 day ago* (41 children)

I hate the phrase “Made with AI” for many nested reasons. Some of which:

  • “AI” is a meaningless buzzword now.

  • “Made” to what extent? That could be anything line autocompletion to spammy vibecoding, from invisible diffusion prototyping/editing to horrific in-game visuals.

  • The tone is “Twitter accusatory.” It ropes in innocent, minimal tool usage with full-on spammers, with zero nuance.

  • Its a red herring for the fundamental issue: waves of games being spammy slop, which was a huge issue even before “AI.”

  • It also discounts the other ethical issues we were grappling with. If we are going to talk ethics, are we just going to forget what companies like EA or Blizzard and such have done?

This needs to be discussed like a spectrum, and whether the intent is malicious. Not as a purity test of “was any AI used making this game?”

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  • [–] 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Also, do we include dependencies too?

    Because if we do... then almost every game is "Made with AI", given now glibc has AI authored code in it too.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Or the software stacks the gamers are running, for that matter. The APIs, the platforms… as examples, do people really think Valve isn’t using LLMs to develop Steam? Or Nvidia/AMD/Intel/Microsoft for their graphics stacks?

    And I don’t mean that as a hostile “you participate in society?” thing, just that it’s inconsistent to judge “AI or no AI” as black and white.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    It also discounts the other ethical issues we were grappling with. If we are going to talk ethics, are we just going to forget what companies like EA or Blizzard and such have done?

    Lost me on the last bullet point. Saying we can't address any issue without addressing every issue is an effective way of getting nothing addressed.

    It's like saying "all lives matter". Yes, all issues matter, but this just derails the conversation instead of letting them have their own space to be discussed.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

    To clarify some, I meant these older sins have fallen out of consumers' attention because of the attention on generated assets. It shouldn't. That context is important.

    IMO it would be inconsistent to loudly boycott some indie dev over (say) some diffusion generated assets, then turn around and buy an Activision or EA game in the same breath. That kind of purist absolutism isn't productive; the larger context matters.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (31 children)
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    What is slop, though? What's your definition?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    Slop is just low effort in my view.

    So if you just generate with ai without any real thought, thats slop because it is low effort.

    The people posting just the "never slop" kitto are low effort too.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    That seems to leave room for fully vibe coded apps as long as it's made with real thought and effort. Some of the anti-AI absolutists are going to have a problem with that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Fuck absolutist in general and under any circumstances.

    What does vibe coded mean to you?

    As I understand vibe coded means just pressing enter without checking the code and understanding it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    I've always interpreted it as not actually typing any of the code yourself. At least that seems to be the way people that are angry about it are using it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    For me it doesn't matter if you type it as long as you understand it and it makes sense how it is written.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I can get behind that definition.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    What's your position on all that?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    It sounds reasonable to me. Understanding the architecture of your project is always critical. It leaves room for responsible AI use, though it could be hard to verify. That's also been a problem since before LLMs really became a thing (we've been complaining about people copy pasting code from stack overflow since it got popular), so I don't know if it really changes much. I don't see the anti-AI crowd ever changing their minds.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 day ago* (12 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    Thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. At this point LLMs are more insightful than you are.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (9 children)

    I mean yeah, the person you're replying to made it pretty clear they resent you

    Which I agree with, you might as well be a bot

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Oh gosh I just realised the usernames swapped around

    This whole thread is still a bit of a wank though

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Yeah. Gotta be real, I'm gonna reserve the right to judge people on the internet.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. At this point LLMs are more insightful than you are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Someone PWEASE think of the clankers' feelings PWEEEEEASE 🥺

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (1 child)

    FWIW it wasted a few moments of my time wondering what point they were trying to make.

    This reply is time well spent, that's totally different.

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  • [–] 2 points 23 hours ago

    Some shitposting will be easy to catch, funny, digestible & smart while being absolute worthless.

    Some shitposting will be bad, some will be good.

    But if anything, we can always count on it being shit 🫡

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