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Harm reduction in the Netherlands (feddit.dk)
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[–] 64 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I had a zealot of a coworker saying teaching them sexual education and safe sex practices is giving them "permission" to engage in pre-marital sex. So instead, the increased risk of EVERYTHING sex related is better because apparently punishment?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago*

    Religious people I know, think that STDs are a good thing to punish bad people who have non-marital sex, especially young people.

    In America, people are extremely sex negative, and anything outside procreative sex should be punished, not just discouraged.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I never understood this train of thought. If you go into ANY situation not knowing what you're doing, chances are it will end in a fuck up. Be it sex, driving a car, working with electricity, whatever, if you are untrained you can screw up someone's life.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago* (7 children)

    Without data from an intuitive standpoint I can see where she may think sex ed could lead to an increase in pre-marital (I assume teenage) sex, even if more but safer sex is still preferable to less but more risky sex. So I did a quick search and it appears that she’s just wrong anyway!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    The premise still fails, it assumes teenagers are rational actors.

    Are you really going to state that your Axiom is teenagers weigh risks and benefits from all available information?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I’m confused. What I’m saying is that without looking at data I could totally see someone imagining a teenager saying “oh, cool, I don’t have to worry about having a kid if I just use a condom” then having more sex because of that. And if I could imagine that for one teen, then I could imagine it for many. That doesn’t seem to be the case though based on the link I shared.

    Are you saying teenagers are incapable of weighing pros and cons? Because that wouldn’t make sense. That’s exactly what they’re doing when they play CoD(teens still play that, right?) and decide using a shotgun is the best choice on the Cargo map. Just because their reasoning is less developed doesn’t mean it’s not there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    don’t have to worry about having a kid

    No. The current situation is they

    don’t worry about having a kid

    Adding info doesn't change the fact that they are not considering consequences, or value the consequences so low vs the immediate result.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (2 children)

    It also assumes that people are dumber than the stupidest of animals. Who taught all of them to have sex? And some of them go at it like rabbits!

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child)

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090206081312.htm

    teenagers consider the future less and prefer immediate rewards over delayed ones

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    I'm not disputing anything you said, I'm just adding on that "well, if they just don't know what sex is" is a demonstrably false presumption. And sure, teenagers tend to not worry about the future as much, which only means that planning works better. If they might have sex and have condoms they will be far likelihood to have sex with condoms than either not having sex because they don't have condoms or stopping in the heat of the moment to get condoms.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    no sex ed isn't permission for premarital sex, there's no need for permission for premarital sex as long as they do it safely

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    You're looking at it from a rational actor side of things though. This guy was immune to facts and logic, anything counter his viewpoint he shrugged off, ignore, or just made some weird bullshit argument. God, guy was an insufferable prick. I'm glad he got his comeuppance at work. Too bad for his kids though, he was vehemently anti-vaccine as well and modern medicine.

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