[tl;dr: Psychiatrist refuses to treat or diagnosis ADHD without a separate evaluation to differentiate from depression.]

Just decided to pop into my old psychiatrists' office to see if I could get ADHD meds ahead of my neuropsych eval a little later down the road (which will also evaluate for autism, but there's no meds for that so I don't care if my psychiatrist thinks I have it or not).

I talked to an intern, who was very nice, and then we connected to the psychiatrist that had treated me through my bipolar and depression.

She told me she couldn't treat me for ADHD because my PHQ-9 score, an inventory to measure depression, was too high and she wanted to wait for a neuropsych evaluation before she prescribed medicine for ADHD. She also was really pushy about getting me into therapy, which I had started coincidentally a few weeks ago.

My thoughts on that:

  1. This is the trap: because you are neurodivergent, you fail at work, you fail at society, and you fail at your own self-designed goals. The natural result is that you get depressed. You see the professionals that are supposed to help you, but they are always treating you for depression. By treating you for depression, which is a perfefectly natural response to your situation as a neurodivergent individual living in a neurotypical world, you learn that you are the problem. And since, for some reason, you keep getting fired, people keep not being your friend, and you keep having unfinished projects scattered throughout your house, you never stopped being depressed. And because you never stop being depressed, even though the entire medical system is trying to help you be not depressesd with therapy and medicine, you eventually conclude that you are irretrievably broken. And the results: you are in ineffective treatment for depression for years, decades, or your entire life and you are miserable and feel terrible about yourself the entire time.

  2. How is a trained and paid professional looking at a single number (PHQ-9) than reflects depressive symptoms without reference to depressive situations and punting on something so basic as distinguishing between depression and ADHD, which can cause depression and is in the DSM? Isn't doing a differential diagnosis in her wheelhouse? Is she stupid? [rhetorical]

  3. Why does she think there is some objective way to distinguish between depression and ADHD? I could go to 10 different psychologists and there is a 0% all of them would agree. So if it's essentially a crap shoot, why is she deferring to someone else, unless she's obviously incompetent or, more likely, a total coward that doesn't want accountability.

  4. Why does she think therapy is going to help? I've been in therapy on and off the 30 years and I'm in exactly the same place as I was when I started. I know it does not work, at least not if the focus is on depression. It's like I'm saying, "I want do try something different because what I've been trying for 30 years and she's yelling no! keep doing the same thing!

Seriously. If anyone has any suggestions on how to navigate this. I'm borderline thinking I need to mask my depressive symptoms if psychiatry is going to be so fucking ignorant about the relationship between situation and mood.

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[–] [S] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, I'd like to have Autism and ADHD if it makes sense, but thats just for a more thorough neuropsych eval. If I just need meds, it's fine that I just have ADHD. And I do just need meds, and I do have an appointment scheduled with someone who treats depression and ADHD so hopefully she knows the difference....

What kind of talk therapy did you do? Any specific modality? Or just an informal kind of self-investigation?

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

    CBT. But I never really thought about it, I just went to whatever therapist my psychiatrist recommended, and she happened to be CBT-qualified.

    I did schema therapy for cPTSD previously, but unfortunately it made my mental health worse, because therapist wasn't neurodivergence-aware, and pushed me to do stuff that caused me autistic shutdowns (like socializing or exercising. We didn't know those were autistic shutdowns) until those accumulated into autistic burnout with executive dysfunction.

    By the way, autistic and ADHD burnouts look very similar to depression, but are treated very differently, and unfortunately most psychs/therapists don't know that, and are unsuccessfully keep treating the wrong thing.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Yes, you got doubly-lucky because CBT can be quite horrible for not recognizing legitimate causes, tends to 100% patient blame. I would probably flip the fuck out if someone tried to blame my way of thinking for my problems when my way of thinking is the result of other problems I had.

    Funnily enough, the classic one I have in mind is continually second-guessing conversations you've had. A generic CBT therapist would try to convince you that there really isn't anything to worry about, but a neuro-aware cPTSD therapist might try looking for all the times you've been rejected or say the wrong thing...

    Anyway, CBT is extremely flexible and diverse to the point of being meaningless; it's incorporating all kinds of therapy under its umbrella. Imagine if Kleenex (the tissue company) started making paper towels and cardboard boxes and copy paper.... it's kinda like that.

    And, yes, my revelation of the past few months has been all my instances of Major Depressive Disorder were really just burnout. So far, I haven't seen a way to treat it, everyone just says take it easy, which I can do while my parents are alive, but that's not going to be much longer. I need to find a life that doesn't trigger burnout, because I'm not going to survive another one.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    everyone just says take it easy, which I can do while my parents are alive, but that's not going to be much longer. I need to find a life that doesn't trigger burnout, because I'm not going to survive another one.

    Yeah, I am in a similar situation right now. I have been a NEET for over a year at this point, because of the executive dysfunction caused by autistic burnout.

    I am sustained only by my mother. But I realize this is an unsustainable lifestyle. And risk of future consequences catching up to me for burning through my savings instead of building capital, skills, and relationships makes me anxious.

    Although technically nowadays I am relatively well off, and could probably live this way for another year.

    So far, I haven't seen a way to treat it, everyone just says take it easy

    I didn't manage to successfully treat it yet.

    But I think the main idea is reducing stimulation as much as possible, and live a more boring life. Autistic burnout is a product of sensory overwhelm, so to fix this you need sensory deprivation, like lying with closed eyes with ear plugs in complete silence and darkness.

    Less extreme ways would be less socializing, less meeting new people, less sunlight, less notifications, less emotionally loaded content online.

    Overall just listen to yourself what you find exhausting or too difficult right now, and don't do it.

    The issue with following through though is that ADHD demands constant stimulation, because of severe lack of baseline dopamine. So sitting in complete silence and darkness is physically painful for ADHD brain.

    And I guess that's the curse of being AuDHD, unfortunately.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 hours ago

    I think there's a reason the young me was drawn to the Greek story of a man so vile that when he was finally thrown off a cliff, he was merely suspended in mid-air because the ocean did not want to take him and the land, having gotten rid of him at him, refused to take him back.

    That's basically what AuDHD is.

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