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[+] 143 points 1 year ago (45 children)
  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Have a look at meshmap.net. That shows people who have voluntarily put themselves on a map.

    Although it can be a serious underestimation, for example in my area, I'm the only one who lists myself on the map, but there are about 10 other nodes that don't

    Edit: Also, the number of nodes on MeshMap has pretty much doubled in six months since I started playing with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hmm, more than I expected actually. None in my town but one in a nearby town and the nearest city.

    Is there a limit to how far can you communicate through multiple nodes? Also is there anything special for setting up a repeater compared to just communicating on the network?

    Though i don't know anyone else that would be likely to use something like this sadly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles.

    Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute.

    Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I always thought these were more like walkie talkies for messaging than telephones that you can call anyone.

    Like it would be good if cell serivce goes down.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's pretty much exactly what they are. Text message in walkie-talkies. With the added benefit that if your friend can't hear you, but another friend is in between, your message automatically gets relayed through their walkie-talkie.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/

    SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data.

    There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something.

    I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you message random people or have to already know their contact info?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Companies are starting to manufacture repeaters and they are not that expensive. You can get one for about 100 Federal Reserve Notes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Why not just add networking capabilities or a SIM card?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You can't expect me not to reinvent the wheel.

    As we post on Lemmy, which is a reinvention of a reinvention of a reinvention of Usenet from 1979.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I thought Al Gore invented the internet in the ‘90’s.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Ok, rant time!!!!

    I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use.

    During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke.

    Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result:

    https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete.

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    Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    At that point, given the extremely small bandwidth, we might as well just use a massive wifi, everyone already has the required hardware for that instead of producing more trash for a pretty much non-existing use case.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This has much greater range compared to wifi

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Funny thing about Wi-Fi, it overlaps with an Amateur radio band (the 2.4GHz spec does) and so hams are allowed to run Wi-Fi with no encryption but a tremendous amount of power and high gain antennas on like the highest channels.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I wonder how much you could Jerry rig up Wimax for these days. That's like 30 miles of range. I remember thinking if I was only going within a 15 mile area of my place it would have been cool, but prices 10 years ago immediately made it a no.

    Edit: like it sounds dumb, but what prevents someone from picking up a used Wimax base station, putting it as an uplink from their router, then using a Wimax card to receive it? Could even maybe just rig up a small rechargable wifi box, that received the Wimax signal, then rebroadcasts it back out as wifi using your home network name/password. So anywhere near your home the antenna would just pick it up and rebroadcast, maybe just hook it to your cigarette lighter to charge so anytime your in the car it's on. I assume most people would find it easier/cheaper to just buy a cellular card.. haha. But hypothetically, I am curious what would make it not work

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    You can have one or the other. If you choose high bandwidth, you're going to get very short distance because you can't do serious error correction, etc. If you choose long range, you're going to get low bandwidth because you need to include error correction, etc. In the transmissions.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Ever since I switched to lemmy, I constantly stumble upon people trying to guilt other people for their hobbies. That's pretty unhealthy.

    Whoever reads this, don't feel guilty living your life. Spend time on whatever you're passionate about. Build new things, even if they do not have a rational use case at the moment. They might play an important role in your future.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago
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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Some people already are

    https://map.nycmesh.net/

    But the point of LoRa is in the name, long range. Wifi barely reaches outside my house. Also a WiFi mesh is dependent on a variety of complicated and proprietary networks and systems while meshtastic is entirely independent.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    pretty much non-existing use case.

    ...for you.

    I can see a use-case where a low-powered off-grid communication device can be useful.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We are in talks to build one for a local power utility. These are cheaper for nice-to-have sensors that aren't critical. Most electricity meters in Victoria use a mesh network provided through silverspring devices to collect usage readings.

    I've also heard about a rural water utility using a mesh network to connect water meters together to reduce the number of times an onsite reading is required.

    Telcos are already trying to compete with mesh networks by providing low bandwidth LTE-M services that are lower cost for utilities. Nokia are pushing 450connect, 450 alliance, etc as more competitors also.

    There are plenty of use cases for low bandwidth systems and services. Isolated network is great when the telcos have pages too.

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