▲ 433 ▼ This Tiny Radio Lets Me Send Texts Without Wi-Fi or Cell Service (www.howtogeek.com) submitted 1 year ago by jwr1@kbin.earth to c/technology@lemmy.world 102 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 143 points 1 year ago (45 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 45 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Have a look at meshmap.net. That shows people who have voluntarily put themselves on a map. Although it can be a serious underestimation, for example in my area, I'm the only one who lists myself on the map, but there are about 10 other nodes that don't Edit: Also, the number of nodes on MeshMap has pretty much doubled in six months since I started playing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Hmm, more than I expected actually. None in my town but one in a nearby town and the nearest city. Is there a limit to how far can you communicate through multiple nodes? Also is there anything special for setting up a repeater compared to just communicating on the network? Though i don't know anyone else that would be likely to use something like this sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles. Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute. Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Nice, 0 within 25 kilometers of me lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Remember, that map is volunteer and only shows nodes of a day or less. For example, I am the only node in my area who voluntarily puts myself on the map, but there are 10 others who do not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IllNess@infosec.pub 19 points 1 year ago (5 children) I always thought these were more like walkie talkies for messaging than telephones that you can call anyone. Like it would be good if cell serivce goes down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (4 children) That's pretty much exactly what they are. Text message in walkie-talkies. With the added benefit that if your friend can't hear you, but another friend is in between, your message automatically gets relayed through their walkie-talkie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/ SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (-1 children) Did you reply to the wrong comment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you message random people or have to already know their contact info? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is channel-based, using Pre-Shared Keys (PSK). There is a public line where you can message pretty much everyone with the blank PSK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies) [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) Companies are starting to manufacture repeaters and they are not that expensive. You can get one for about 100 Federal Reserve Notes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sucks you can’t charge it and have to instead go to a central bank to exchange minted coins for notes that you can exchange for the commodity that is the radio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Not that im aware of. SeeedStudio has released a new solar node to be a repeater though permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (9 children) Why not just add networking capabilities or a SIM card? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children) You can't expect me not to reinvent the wheel. As we post on Lemmy, which is a reinvention of a reinvention of a reinvention of Usenet from 1979. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (7 children) I thought Al Gore invented the internet in the ‘90’s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children) Ok, rant time!!!! I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use. During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke. Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eheran@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (18 children) At that point, given the extremely small bandwidth, we might as well just use a massive wifi, everyone already has the required hardware for that instead of producing more trash for a pretty much non-existing use case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 32 points 1 year ago (6 children) This has much greater range compared to wifi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Funny thing about Wi-Fi, it overlaps with an Amateur radio band (the 2.4GHz spec does) and so hams are allowed to run Wi-Fi with no encryption but a tremendous amount of power and high gain antennas on like the highest channels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I wonder how much you could Jerry rig up Wimax for these days. That's like 30 miles of range. I remember thinking if I was only going within a 15 mile area of my place it would have been cool, but prices 10 years ago immediately made it a no. Edit: like it sounds dumb, but what prevents someone from picking up a used Wimax base station, putting it as an uplink from their router, then using a Wimax card to receive it? Could even maybe just rig up a small rechargable wifi box, that received the Wimax signal, then rebroadcasts it back out as wifi using your home network name/password. So anywhere near your home the antenna would just pick it up and rebroadcast, maybe just hook it to your cigarette lighter to charge so anytime your in the car it's on. I assume most people would find it easier/cheaper to just buy a cellular card.. haha. But hypothetically, I am curious what would make it not work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago You can have one or the other. If you choose high bandwidth, you're going to get very short distance because you can't do serious error correction, etc. If you choose long range, you're going to get low bandwidth because you need to include error correction, etc. In the transmissions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Ever since I switched to lemmy, I constantly stumble upon people trying to guilt other people for their hobbies. That's pretty unhealthy. Whoever reads this, don't feel guilty living your life. Spend time on whatever you're passionate about. Build new things, even if they do not have a rational use case at the moment. They might play an important role in your future. permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) "WiFi goes down" Or more to the point, the ISP fails. A Wi-Fi router isn't that much more difficult to power than a meshtastic node, but my old ISP, I don't think they even bothered to install UPSes, if the power was out, so was the internet. I could keep my Wi-Fi up indefinitely, but it's basically useless outside my house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) They're a godsend for camping, and would be legendary in a disaster event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago People are just discussing the pros and cons of technology in the Technology comm. Chill out. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Some people already are https://map.nycmesh.net/ But the point of LoRa is in the name, long range. Wifi barely reaches outside my house. Also a WiFi mesh is dependent on a variety of complicated and proprietary networks and systems while meshtastic is entirely independent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) In trying times you're missing the big picture. If they were more commonplace, you'd have a decentralised communication network that can't be shut down by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago And then they make it illegal to protect the terrorists permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) pretty much non-existing use case. ...for you. I can see a use-case where a low-powered off-grid communication device can be useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] notgold@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago We are in talks to build one for a local power utility. These are cheaper for nice-to-have sensors that aren't critical. Most electricity meters in Victoria use a mesh network provided through silverspring devices to collect usage readings. I've also heard about a rural water utility using a mesh network to connect water meters together to reduce the number of times an onsite reading is required. Telcos are already trying to compete with mesh networks by providing low bandwidth LTE-M services that are lower cost for utilities. Nokia are pushing 450connect, 450 alliance, etc as more competitors also. There are plenty of use cases for low bandwidth systems and services. Isolated network is great when the telcos have pages too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Have a look at meshmap.net. That shows people who have voluntarily put themselves on a map. Although it can be a serious underestimation, for example in my area, I'm the only one who lists myself on the map, but there are about 10 other nodes that don't Edit: Also, the number of nodes on MeshMap has pretty much doubled in six months since I started playing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Hmm, more than I expected actually. None in my town but one in a nearby town and the nearest city. Is there a limit to how far can you communicate through multiple nodes? Also is there anything special for setting up a repeater compared to just communicating on the network? Though i don't know anyone else that would be likely to use something like this sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles. Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute. Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Nice, 0 within 25 kilometers of me lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Remember, that map is volunteer and only shows nodes of a day or less. For example, I am the only node in my area who voluntarily puts myself on the map, but there are 10 others who do not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Hmm, more than I expected actually. None in my town but one in a nearby town and the nearest city. Is there a limit to how far can you communicate through multiple nodes? Also is there anything special for setting up a repeater compared to just communicating on the network? Though i don't know anyone else that would be likely to use something like this sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles. Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute. Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles. Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute. Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Nice, 0 within 25 kilometers of me lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Remember, that map is volunteer and only shows nodes of a day or less. For example, I am the only node in my area who voluntarily puts myself on the map, but there are 10 others who do not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Remember, that map is volunteer and only shows nodes of a day or less. For example, I am the only node in my area who voluntarily puts myself on the map, but there are 10 others who do not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 19 points 1 year ago (5 children) I always thought these were more like walkie talkies for messaging than telephones that you can call anyone. Like it would be good if cell serivce goes down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (4 children) That's pretty much exactly what they are. Text message in walkie-talkies. With the added benefit that if your friend can't hear you, but another friend is in between, your message automatically gets relayed through their walkie-talkie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/ SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (-1 children) Did you reply to the wrong comment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you message random people or have to already know their contact info? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is channel-based, using Pre-Shared Keys (PSK). There is a public line where you can message pretty much everyone with the blank PSK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (4 children) That's pretty much exactly what they are. Text message in walkie-talkies. With the added benefit that if your friend can't hear you, but another friend is in between, your message automatically gets relayed through their walkie-talkie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/ SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (-1 children) Did you reply to the wrong comment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you message random people or have to already know their contact info? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is channel-based, using Pre-Shared Keys (PSK). There is a public line where you can message pretty much everyone with the blank PSK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/ SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (-1 children) Did you reply to the wrong comment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/ SENSOR is one of the defined device roles. And whether for personal automation or public information, it is a reasonable use case for the network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (-1 children) Did you reply to the wrong comment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago Everything I learn about this project is so cool. I can’t go through the docs right now, but I’m assuming it can prioritize things like emergency communication over sensor data. There’s no public nodes in a 200+ km radius around me on that site someone linked, so something tells me I’ll have to do a lot of guerilla solar panel installation if I want to anonymously set up something. I’ve thought about it on and off over the past two years, more of a private network for family and friends than anything, for emergencies and so on. The real, big problem is that I could be accused of espionage and thrown into jail forever if I do this. So I don’t think I’ll see anyone putting any nodes up for the foreseeable future. At least not public nodes. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you message random people or have to already know their contact info? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is channel-based, using Pre-Shared Keys (PSK). There is a public line where you can message pretty much everyone with the blank PSK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is channel-based, using Pre-Shared Keys (PSK). There is a public line where you can message pretty much everyone with the blank PSK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Oh, now that sounds fun permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) Companies are starting to manufacture repeaters and they are not that expensive. You can get one for about 100 Federal Reserve Notes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sucks you can’t charge it and have to instead go to a central bank to exchange minted coins for notes that you can exchange for the commodity that is the radio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Not that im aware of. SeeedStudio has released a new solar node to be a repeater though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sucks you can’t charge it and have to instead go to a central bank to exchange minted coins for notes that you can exchange for the commodity that is the radio. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Not that im aware of. SeeedStudio has released a new solar node to be a repeater though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Not that im aware of. SeeedStudio has released a new solar node to be a repeater though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (9 children) Why not just add networking capabilities or a SIM card? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children) You can't expect me not to reinvent the wheel. As we post on Lemmy, which is a reinvention of a reinvention of a reinvention of Usenet from 1979. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (7 children) I thought Al Gore invented the internet in the ‘90’s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children) Ok, rant time!!!! I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use. During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke. Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children) You can't expect me not to reinvent the wheel. As we post on Lemmy, which is a reinvention of a reinvention of a reinvention of Usenet from 1979. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (7 children) I thought Al Gore invented the internet in the ‘90’s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children) Ok, rant time!!!! I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use. During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke. Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (7 children) I thought Al Gore invented the internet in the ‘90’s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children) Ok, rant time!!!! I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use. During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke. Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (6 children) Ok, rant time!!!! I worked for Vint Cerf back in the early 90's. I became aware of the politics around it when Al Gore pushed for funding so the Internet could grow into something bigger than a University/Military communication system. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily railing against Al Gore's Boondoggle. Clinton/Gore secured funding and the Internet exploded in use. During the 1999 Presidential election, Republicans took Al Gore's greatest political accomplishment, getting Congress to fund the creation of the Internet, and made it a joke. Vint Cerf wrote this letter as a result: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) So he did invent it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Eisenhower gets credit for building the Interstate Highway system despite not pouring any concrete. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago General Eisenhower definitely bombed some people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Eisenhower had probably the worst foreign policy record because of the Dulles bros. Almost all the CIA government coups that happened occurred during Eisenhower and ended up in disasters decades later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 5 points 1 year ago At the very least fathered the internet we know today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (18 children) At that point, given the extremely small bandwidth, we might as well just use a massive wifi, everyone already has the required hardware for that instead of producing more trash for a pretty much non-existing use case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 32 points 1 year ago (6 children) This has much greater range compared to wifi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Funny thing about Wi-Fi, it overlaps with an Amateur radio band (the 2.4GHz spec does) and so hams are allowed to run Wi-Fi with no encryption but a tremendous amount of power and high gain antennas on like the highest channels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I wonder how much you could Jerry rig up Wimax for these days. That's like 30 miles of range. I remember thinking if I was only going within a 15 mile area of my place it would have been cool, but prices 10 years ago immediately made it a no. Edit: like it sounds dumb, but what prevents someone from picking up a used Wimax base station, putting it as an uplink from their router, then using a Wimax card to receive it? Could even maybe just rig up a small rechargable wifi box, that received the Wimax signal, then rebroadcasts it back out as wifi using your home network name/password. So anywhere near your home the antenna would just pick it up and rebroadcast, maybe just hook it to your cigarette lighter to charge so anytime your in the car it's on. I assume most people would find it easier/cheaper to just buy a cellular card.. haha. But hypothetically, I am curious what would make it not work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago You can have one or the other. If you choose high bandwidth, you're going to get very short distance because you can't do serious error correction, etc. If you choose long range, you're going to get low bandwidth because you need to include error correction, etc. In the transmissions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Ever since I switched to lemmy, I constantly stumble upon people trying to guilt other people for their hobbies. That's pretty unhealthy. Whoever reads this, don't feel guilty living your life. Spend time on whatever you're passionate about. Build new things, even if they do not have a rational use case at the moment. They might play an important role in your future. permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) "WiFi goes down" Or more to the point, the ISP fails. A Wi-Fi router isn't that much more difficult to power than a meshtastic node, but my old ISP, I don't think they even bothered to install UPSes, if the power was out, so was the internet. I could keep my Wi-Fi up indefinitely, but it's basically useless outside my house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) They're a godsend for camping, and would be legendary in a disaster event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago People are just discussing the pros and cons of technology in the Technology comm. Chill out. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Some people already are https://map.nycmesh.net/ But the point of LoRa is in the name, long range. Wifi barely reaches outside my house. Also a WiFi mesh is dependent on a variety of complicated and proprietary networks and systems while meshtastic is entirely independent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) In trying times you're missing the big picture. If they were more commonplace, you'd have a decentralised communication network that can't be shut down by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago And then they make it illegal to protect the terrorists permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) pretty much non-existing use case. ...for you. I can see a use-case where a low-powered off-grid communication device can be useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] notgold@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago We are in talks to build one for a local power utility. These are cheaper for nice-to-have sensors that aren't critical. Most electricity meters in Victoria use a mesh network provided through silverspring devices to collect usage readings. I've also heard about a rural water utility using a mesh network to connect water meters together to reduce the number of times an onsite reading is required. Telcos are already trying to compete with mesh networks by providing low bandwidth LTE-M services that are lower cost for utilities. Nokia are pushing 450connect, 450 alliance, etc as more competitors also. There are plenty of use cases for low bandwidth systems and services. Isolated network is great when the telcos have pages too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 32 points 1 year ago (6 children) This has much greater range compared to wifi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Funny thing about Wi-Fi, it overlaps with an Amateur radio band (the 2.4GHz spec does) and so hams are allowed to run Wi-Fi with no encryption but a tremendous amount of power and high gain antennas on like the highest channels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I wonder how much you could Jerry rig up Wimax for these days. That's like 30 miles of range. I remember thinking if I was only going within a 15 mile area of my place it would have been cool, but prices 10 years ago immediately made it a no. Edit: like it sounds dumb, but what prevents someone from picking up a used Wimax base station, putting it as an uplink from their router, then using a Wimax card to receive it? Could even maybe just rig up a small rechargable wifi box, that received the Wimax signal, then rebroadcasts it back out as wifi using your home network name/password. So anywhere near your home the antenna would just pick it up and rebroadcast, maybe just hook it to your cigarette lighter to charge so anytime your in the car it's on. I assume most people would find it easier/cheaper to just buy a cellular card.. haha. But hypothetically, I am curious what would make it not work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Funny thing about Wi-Fi, it overlaps with an Amateur radio band (the 2.4GHz spec does) and so hams are allowed to run Wi-Fi with no encryption but a tremendous amount of power and high gain antennas on like the highest channels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago A portion of the 5GHz WiFI band overlaps with the 5.8GHz ham band too. There are also a few WiFi radios that will also work above the US WiFi band where they can operate without interference from other license free devices. Those are used in the HamWAN network. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I wonder how much you could Jerry rig up Wimax for these days. That's like 30 miles of range. I remember thinking if I was only going within a 15 mile area of my place it would have been cool, but prices 10 years ago immediately made it a no. Edit: like it sounds dumb, but what prevents someone from picking up a used Wimax base station, putting it as an uplink from their router, then using a Wimax card to receive it? Could even maybe just rig up a small rechargable wifi box, that received the Wimax signal, then rebroadcasts it back out as wifi using your home network name/password. So anywhere near your home the antenna would just pick it up and rebroadcast, maybe just hook it to your cigarette lighter to charge so anytime your in the car it's on. I assume most people would find it easier/cheaper to just buy a cellular card.. haha. But hypothetically, I am curious what would make it not work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) You can transmit over whatever, but there's trade-offs with everything. LoRa is kinda neat because it's low power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago And you don't need to be a ham to run it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* Might be smarter.. wonder if permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago You can have one or the other. If you choose high bandwidth, you're going to get very short distance because you can't do serious error correction, etc. If you choose long range, you're going to get low bandwidth because you need to include error correction, etc. In the transmissions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Ever since I switched to lemmy, I constantly stumble upon people trying to guilt other people for their hobbies. That's pretty unhealthy. Whoever reads this, don't feel guilty living your life. Spend time on whatever you're passionate about. Build new things, even if they do not have a rational use case at the moment. They might play an important role in your future. permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) "WiFi goes down" Or more to the point, the ISP fails. A Wi-Fi router isn't that much more difficult to power than a meshtastic node, but my old ISP, I don't think they even bothered to install UPSes, if the power was out, so was the internet. I could keep my Wi-Fi up indefinitely, but it's basically useless outside my house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) They're a godsend for camping, and would be legendary in a disaster event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago People are just discussing the pros and cons of technology in the Technology comm. Chill out. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) "WiFi goes down" Or more to the point, the ISP fails. A Wi-Fi router isn't that much more difficult to power than a meshtastic node, but my old ISP, I don't think they even bothered to install UPSes, if the power was out, so was the internet. I could keep my Wi-Fi up indefinitely, but it's basically useless outside my house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) They're a godsend for camping, and would be legendary in a disaster event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) "WiFi goes down" Or more to the point, the ISP fails. A Wi-Fi router isn't that much more difficult to power than a meshtastic node, but my old ISP, I don't think they even bothered to install UPSes, if the power was out, so was the internet. I could keep my Wi-Fi up indefinitely, but it's basically useless outside my house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago (-1 children) They're a godsend for camping, and would be legendary in a disaster event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago People are just discussing the pros and cons of technology in the Technology comm. Chill out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Some people already are https://map.nycmesh.net/ But the point of LoRa is in the name, long range. Wifi barely reaches outside my house. Also a WiFi mesh is dependent on a variety of complicated and proprietary networks and systems while meshtastic is entirely independent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. LoRa (from "long range", sometimes abbreviated as "LR") is a physical proprietary radio communication technique.[2] It is based on spread spectrum modulation techniques derived from chirp spread spectrum (CSS) technology.[3] It was developed by Cycleo, a company of Grenoble, France, and patented in 2014. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) In trying times you're missing the big picture. If they were more commonplace, you'd have a decentralised communication network that can't be shut down by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago And then they make it illegal to protect the terrorists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago And then they make it illegal to protect the terrorists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) pretty much non-existing use case. ...for you. I can see a use-case where a low-powered off-grid communication device can be useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] notgold@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago We are in talks to build one for a local power utility. These are cheaper for nice-to-have sensors that aren't critical. Most electricity meters in Victoria use a mesh network provided through silverspring devices to collect usage readings. I've also heard about a rural water utility using a mesh network to connect water meters together to reduce the number of times an onsite reading is required. Telcos are already trying to compete with mesh networks by providing low bandwidth LTE-M services that are lower cost for utilities. Nokia are pushing 450connect, 450 alliance, etc as more competitors also. There are plenty of use cases for low bandwidth systems and services. Isolated network is great when the telcos have pages too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] notgold@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago We are in talks to build one for a local power utility. These are cheaper for nice-to-have sensors that aren't critical. Most electricity meters in Victoria use a mesh network provided through silverspring devices to collect usage readings. I've also heard about a rural water utility using a mesh network to connect water meters together to reduce the number of times an onsite reading is required. Telcos are already trying to compete with mesh networks by providing low bandwidth LTE-M services that are lower cost for utilities. Nokia are pushing 450connect, 450 alliance, etc as more competitors also. There are plenty of use cases for low bandwidth systems and services. Isolated network is great when the telcos have pages too. permalink fedilink source parent