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[+] 28 points 1 day ago (49 children)
  • [–] 39 points 1 day ago* (8 children)

    Any system ruled by humans is a flawed system. Which is why democracy must be ruled bottom-up and not top-down. And have more than one representative, on any level. And last but not least, good general education (which is why the fascist always start there).

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    This is the elite wet dream, yes. Replace all pesky humans with machines, because "democracy doesn't work".. Except it does work, if you have a unbiased media and an educated population.

    Humans ruled by some AI that will never be influenced by humans will never happen. What if the Ai suggests things that are bad for the rulers of society? There will always be corrupt humans directing our systems, to stay rich and powerful.

    Which means we need less technology, less machines, less surveillance, to have a society where humans can feel free and happy. Unlimited technology leads to dystopia for humans.

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    This is the elite wet dream, yes. Replace all pesky humans with machines

    I'm proposing that the elite be replaced with machines. I'm not saying it's easy, nor necessarily even possible, certainly not at the current level of technological and societal development.

    Except it does work, if you have a unbiased media

    There's no such thing as truly unbiased media, it's nearly impossible. Or are you proposing banning all media that isn't state media? Private media will always have an agenda. Often so will state media though, and that can easily become even more dangerous.

    and an educated population.

    Doesn't work. Or are you going to force everyone into poli sci majors? Majority of Europe has free higher education and in most countries the far right has been on the rise again. Even plenty of educated people vote for those parties. Hell, I can tell you that many of the people IN those parties, at least in my country, have degrees one might consider relevant to good governance (history, law, etc) and yet they spew hate.

    What if the Ai suggests things that are bad for the rulers of society?

    The idea is that the AI has to be the ruler of society and nobody else can have power over it. It also involves developing perfect AI first. I did say it was a pipe dream, didn't I?

    There will always be corrupt humans directing our systems, to stay rich and powerful.

    It goes without saying that the existence of private property is part of that plan. The AI would decide who needs how much resources. The book you've named yourself after is kind of relevant, but the inner party still consisted of humans and they had ulterior motives. As O'brian himself said, the party's ultimate goal was nothing other than just the control itself. The AI would have to have an ultimate goal of maximum human happiness, freedom and longevity, as much as possible without giving people freedom to have power over others.

    Which means we need less technology, less machines, less surveillance, to have a society where humans can feel free and happy.

    Doesn't work either, unless society is fewer than 100 people or so. Above that we start developing these nasty things called hierarchies. Rulers and such. No human rulers can be allowed to exist if we want a truly just society. Impartial, completely neutral humans don't exist. Democracy doesn't work because voters can be swayed and BDFLs are just that, FL. They die and the next one might not be very B, but will be just as D if not moreso.

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  • [–] 2 points 23 hours ago

    Right and wrong are just words. What matters is what you do.

    (I just watched that episode of Futurama where Bender was God and it's a perfectly fitting analogy here, I think).

    Firstly, your proposal requires a perfect and noble system. There's two major problems right there...one in developing a perfect system, and the other in defining what "noble" actually means.

    What's good for one may be bad for another. In often cases it is, especially under a capitalist system where we are made to compete directly with each other.

    An example...my box of Kellog's Raisin Bran says, on the back, "Cereal makes eating well easy". I misread it at first and thought it said "cereal makers eating well", and pondered about that for a moment.

    As a consumer, we don't want cereal makers eating well. I mean, we say we do, but our actions prove otherwise. Consumers are disincentivised from the cereal makers (as in the grain farmers) eating well, because that means a more expensive product, which is money out of their pockets, which now means they are eating less well than they would have. We are subconsciously at war with our peers.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    Those bots were just crawlers for yandex search. If you actually look up the report they weren't accessing or posting user content, just looking thru web pages.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

    People are flawed. Education quality is also a systemic problem which has caused many to not reach the potential they might've had. But I don't think using the R-slur will help?

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  • [–] 6 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

    Do you complain about the two I-Slurs, the M-slurs, as well?

    I'm just going to say. Retarded has the most right to exist out of all the words that have been malformed from medical diagnoses that mean "has diminished capacity".

    It has an actual function outside of being used as an insult, unlike Moron, Imbecile, and Idiot. And should not be censored or have people in favor of its censorship as we've already seen the nanny state corporations are happy to implement.

    If you're wondering why I say this it's because of words like "Fire Retardent" Or saying something slows things down is to retard it(older usage I know, but it does pop up from time to time in technical documents for things). There are more uses, but admittedly I'm tired today and don't have it in me to dredge up more examples.

    And yeah sorry that you personally are getting the brunt of this rant, but I'm so tired of censorship on words in general, but especially on words that have uses outside of the insult. I also hate how inconsistent people are with it.

    It's a fucking word. It's a fucking word that means the same as stupid, idiot, moron, imbecile, it just hits harder for most. It's not a real slur, imo. And if you're using it as a slur, that's on you and you're a fucking moron for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

    It no longer means the same though. Language changes, and the R word is used as an insult equating somebody to somebody with down syndrome (as an example) while Moron and Idiot don't have a direct correlation to a group.

    While all are still uses medically, there is context needed. Like the test might say your child is in the idiot, moron range. But a doctor will now say they have mental retardation or reduced mental capacity. They dont say hey parents your kid is β€˜Re----"

    People still using the R word (as non time related uses) are just behind the times, like when my mom called black people colored..at some point somebody has to confront you and say "hey, this is not how we do things now"

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago* (3 children)

    Moron and Idiot were the original correlations. People adopted those words as insults and the medical community adopted new words, and then those words got used as insults, and then the medical community adopted new words........

    And on and on and on. Moron equates you to someone with diminished capacity like someone with down syndrome, to use your example. So does Idiot, and Imbecile. As again they were medical terms turned into insults lol.

    So like by all means hate Retarded as a word, but have some consistency.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    The terms moron and idiot are still used on the test reports, but nobody nowawdays associates calling somebody an idiot/moron with a slur against the mentally challenged, but the R word is.

    Like under your argument we can still call people gay as a slur because it used to mean happy.

    We stopped calling people gay or R word in the early 90s dude.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Lmao, sorry, sorry. I just wasn't expecting to get told, wrongly, about history I lived through. Retard didn't fall out of favor until the 2010's, and gay as an insult only started wearing off towards the late 00's early 10's which is why you can still see it in media from the time.

    Not sure how old you are, but I found it very funny.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    Not sure what your context and life story is. From my perspective it seemed like an aggressive and vitriolic choice where "stupid" would have sufficed. As an insult it seems to have a lot more cultural weight behind it which is why I called it a slur. Words are all just sounds, it's the societal landscape which decides what they actually mean. My friends were telling me they've been hearing that word used a lot more frequently as an insult than they remembered from a couple of years ago, so I was particularly primed to make a comment on it.

    I am not in favour of censorship of people's words at the state level. Language is a community project which should be dealt with at a community level. Which is why I said something. I think we should try to be a bit kind in how we speak.

    Now that I think about it I don't think calling people stupid is helpful either. I feel like a lot of "stupidity", especially as relates to politics, is about low quality schooling and a social media landscape which is designed to implant and further certain beliefs.

    Yeah anyway, I guess, mostly I'm tired of watching the world crumble around me and would like to start building things so this mostly ended up as a pile of my random thoughts. I hope you're having a less tiring day today 😊

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child)

    I do understand the perspective, I just feel like going after "Retarded" as a slur is dumb on multiple levels. One, it diminishes actual slurs and what they represent. Two(which I've already covered) has actual uses outside of just being an insult. Three the devolution of our language due to censorship is an issue as a whole and this bothers me(Grape, PDFile come to mind as well). Four, its inconsistent with the other words of the same tier and meaning. And Fifth, it only became designated as a "slur" relatively recently which wraps back around to point one.

    And last but not a viable point, there just isn't a word that is as succinct as "retarded" for something so incredulously dumb that it defies belief, in my opinion.

    With that all said, I hope you understand I wasn't coming after you personally, you just triggered something that's been bothering me. Again, sorry you got the brunt of that rant. Even that last part wasn't for you. Please have a lovely day.

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  • [–] 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    Fascists are worth condemning.

    Disabled people are not.

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  • [–] 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    Dog if you're getting called a fascist 20x a day you're probably a fascist.

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  • [–] -3 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    It all comes down to the fact that the human psyche evolved from selfish monkeys, the kind that killed all the other types of monkeys that were slightly different from them. It's almost like humanity has been trying to solve this problem since the dawn of time.

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  • [–] 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Except this absolutely isn't even close to true. We interbred with other species prolifically to the point every person on Earth has Neanderthal DNA and Denisovian DNA, among other genetic material we don't know the specific origins.

    That kind of misanthropic view that homo spaiens just "killed all the other types of monkeys" is toxic.

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