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Israel is ecstatic. (lemmy.ml)
submitted 6 days ago by to c/ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml
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A tweet by Abubaker Abed saying: "It took American people less than two years to completely whitewash the Democrats' facilitation of the Gaza genocide and put them back in power. How quickly people forget is beyond me. The world is too scary. Out of the frying pan into the fire... Israel is ecstatic."
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[+] -8 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Democrat facilitation or Republican facilitation. The issue was not on the ballot. I think the Democrats are slightly more likely to be sympathetic to the Palestinians since they are not so overtly racist against people of color.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    Don't pull a Mehdi Hasan please :(

    Neither party is doing this for "racism", they're doing it for American supremacy. The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party; and they continue to support Israel, just with controlled "opposition".

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I think I've seen you pop up a couple of times saying "The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party". What do you mean by that and what are the sources?

    I didn't think the US was really all that directly involved in the Palestinian conflict, but more tacitly responsible for arming Israel and not trying to rein them in.

    Additionally, if you're talking about Biden vs Trump admins as your timeline for dem/repub, that's really just different phases of the conflict rather than one admin doing anything more/less. If anything, the real relief that Palestine has gotten is Israel dragging the US into war with Iran. Can't really expend resources on Palestine when fighting a country that's equally capable.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I think I’ve seen you pop up a couple of times saying “The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party”. What do you mean by that and what are the sources?

    You probably saw u/geneva_convenience say it before, not me.

    The figures I'll provide here will be a severe undercount, because they'll be from the Gaza Health Ministry's verified numbers and thus will not include for example bodies trapped under rubble. It also will not include "non-violent" causes of death such as starvation and sickness.

    January 2025 - At least 47,354 Palestinians murdered. (This is when Biden left office)
    October 2026 - At least 74,494 Palestinians murdered. (27,140 killed since Trump took office)

    I didn’t think the US was really all that directly involved in the Palestinian conflict

    Then you should really educate yourself. You're both calling the genocide a conflict and denying American involvement in it. It's been three fucking years.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago*

    Do you seriously think these numbers prove anything? All these numbers say is that initial stages of the genocide were more intense and as Israel achieved more of its ethnic cleansing goals it slowed down. If Trump was in office before 2025, those numbers would not decrease. One would have to be really delusional to think Trump might have possibly slowed down the genocide in Gaza. He is a guy who makes AI videos of himself bombing Gaza and building resorts there. The fact remains previous democrat governments and Trump have supported Israel in this genocide just as much. There is atleast internally more people in democrats who oppose supporting Israel than there is in Republicans. But ofcourse if the issue is that Democrats are more willing to aid Ukraine than Trump, that should perhaps be your talking point rather than trying to prove Trump is better for Gaza which is funny.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    They are both shit. Under the Republicans, the genocide expanded into Lebanon and Iran. We're bombing school girls without even getting a Congressional rubber stamp for expanding the war. There was not a good choice on the ballot with respect to the genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Didn't Harris say Iran was the biggest adversary or some shit? It's crazy you believe it'd have been different under the democrats when historically they're the same outside of your borders. Even AOC is shit at foreign affairs, and Mamdani did his part in legitimizing the shit they did to Venezuela and Cuba. So no, you're wrong, and if you see us as humans you gotta be better and do better so we have a world tomorrow, and so our neighbors don't get disappeared or bombed in the meantime.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    wut? Where did you get that idea from?

    Harris famously lost her election, mostly because she refused to say "the genocide against palastinians is bad". Obama joked about how good he was at killing people in the middle-east. Biden pretty openly supported Israel murdering innocent people, while bombing more innocent people in the middle-east.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Nothing you have argued is an argument that tells me I should vote for the orange child rapist. I had no option on my ballot that doesn't suck. I am not going to run for office, and I am not going to die fighting the assholes that are in charge. I want better, but I have no power to do anything except throw my own life away.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Nothing you have argued is an argument that tells me I should vote for the orange child rapist.

    Uh, you are technically correct, but I don't know what your talking about. I never advocated for you voting for him. I hate him more than I hate the Democrats.

    I had no option on my ballot that doesn’t suck.

    Then do a write-in

    I am not going to run for office, and I am not going to die fighting the assholes that are in charge.

    Yeah, giving up seems like your strategy. I'm saying that is a bad strategy, that has openly not worked so far.

    I want better, but I have no power to do anything except throw my own life away.

    Well, unlike you, I don't think fighting fascim and genocide is "throwing your life away". I think those are pretty worthwhile causes to fight against.

    You also do have power, in other options than that: Help out locally at homeless shelters, food banks, street-cleanups, envrionmental cleanups. Pass out fliers, support mutual-aid groups, etc.

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