Okay, so the CEO of Proton didn’t pass your purity test, I get it. But you know which CEOs also suck? The CEO of Google and the CEO of Microsoft. How can we expect secure and private alternatives to these ecosystems to flourish if we are constantly engaged in infighting? We will get nowhere if we reject every service that is short of perfect. Let’s keep our eyes on the bigger picture here.

Another hot take: I suspect that at least some of the hate directed at Proton is a smear campaign by some state actor who wants to see private online platforms fail.

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[–] 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Diamonds are an excellent product with horrible labor practices. Decent people don't use products made by malevolent companies. Moissanite is fine in place of diamonds for most uses, and it's easy to replace Proton.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    What's a good alternative where mail, vpn, password manager, drive, and collaborative document editing are parts in an ecosystem?

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    Coupling those things causes lock-in with little upside. My VPN and email provider have no symbiotic connection. Lift & Shift leverages the key value of the free market; competition. "Ecosystem" is marketing speak for captive customer, not customer value.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    I don't fully agree, except for a small lock-in due to convenience (having one bill to pay instead of five). Interoperability is the key. To me an ecosystem is not inherently captive if I can easily pull out my data and use a different service. I do agree that some services are less valuable to have bundled, but some services work together, and that's the value in ecosystems. I also think Proton could be way more interoperable, but nothing is perfect I guess.

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