I'm here from Reddit. They banned me for absolutely no reason. That's frustrating. How works Lemmy ?

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[–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Tankies are conservatives

For 'conservatives' they do an awful lot of praising China.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (10 children)

    Yep. China's government is very conservative. As is Russia's.

    Communism and social conservatism are obviously not mutually exclusive. Just ask Stalin.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

    China is a one-party psuedo-communist state, which is ultra far-left - the polar opposite of political conservatism. Yes, gay marriage is not permitted, but thats due to social conservatism.

    You're correct in saying China is socially conservative, but saying its conservative implies a right-wing political ideology. It lacks nuance and implies something that is factually wrong.

    Russia - yes very conservstive. Soviet Union was politically far-left but modern Russia is basically christo-fascist. So its culturally, politically and religiously conservative.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (8 children)

    It is neither factually wrong, nor does it lack precision.

    Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Conservatives have been working hard for decades to somehow re-define fascism, communism, socialism, marxism, racism and antisemitism as "progressive" ideologies. Conservatives are pathological liars who insist on creating confusion rather than simply engaging in good faith.

    Communism is neither conservative nor its opposite, progressive. It is simply a societal structure. It is possible for conservatives to govern in a communist framework (ex: China, Russia, North Korea).

    Outside of specific university classes, the most commonly accepted modern western socio-political context of the word "conservative" is congruent with social conservatism. A reasonable public would also accept the alternative definitions: cockroach wearing a human skin-suit or traitor whose life is valueless.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

    It is neither factually wrong, nor does it lack precision.

    What about abortion and the one-child policy? What about the system of state ownership of industries and strict control of private enterprise? Or state-imposed pricing of medications? Would you confidently describe those as 'conservative' policies?

    Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation

    What about Winston Churchill, Angela Merkel or Konrad Adenauer?

    Conservatives have been working hard for decades to somehow re-define fascism, communism, socialism, marxism, racism and antisemitism as "progressive" ideologies.

    Have they really? Donald Trump has been pushing UBI has he..? I didnt know he identified as a 'racist'?

    Communism is neither conservative nor its opposite, progressive

    Good, I'm glad we agree on something.

    It is possible for conservatives to govern in a communist framework (ex: China, Russia, North Korea).

    Umm. If that were the case then you'd think there'd be plenty of examples. Which Chinese or Soviet-era leader would you specifically describe as being 'conservative'. Not 'socially conservative', just 'conservative'...?

    Outside of specific university classes, the most commonly accepted modern western socio-political context of the word "conservative" is congruent with social conservatism.

    Is it really. What about the 'Conservative' parties of UK, Norway and Denmark that legalised gay marriage?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (6 children)

    For a conservative who claims to know something, you sure have a lot of questions.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    Do I?

    I'm a Conservative??

    Is 'claims to know something' literally the only thing you could come up with??

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (4 children)

    More gishgallop of manipulative, bad faith questions from the conservative. No one cares about our little internet pretend-debate you're trying to have.

    At the end of the day, evil will be attracted to brutal authoritarianism while normal people will not. All the definition-twisting and fake, manipulative "just asking questions" conservative strategies only work on the evil people. We can safely remove them from society without ill effect.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (3 children)

    No one cares about our little internet pretend-debate you're trying to have.

    You literally jumped in after it was finished. If you didn't care you would've scrolled on 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (2 children)

    I just wanted to let you know how little I value the lives and opinions of conservatives. I suspect you argue to change minds of readers. I argue with conservatives for catharsis, to let my enemy know I have every intention of killing as many of them as possible before they get to me. So, we can keep going, but as I've already established, you are wasting your time, not mine.

    I like these kinds of one-on-one threat sessions with conservatives. I can store this energy up and take it to the next conservative cockroach I exterminate. It feels so fucking good to know how much positive impact one person can have in such a conservative-infested world.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (1 child)

    You know I'm not a conservative right? This is Lemmy, literally no-one here is.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    Lemmy was created by conservatives who call themselves tankies. They are known for pretending to be progressives, but progressives are not fooled at all. Their love for brutal authoritarianism and hate of human rights reveals them as conservatives.

    All conservatives are pathological liars. Their lives are truly valueless.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    China is conservative. Prime example: They don't allow gay marriage. Tell me that isn't conservative.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    You're framing it in the American context though. Mixing politics and religion is taboo in most western democracies. And, religious conservatism isn't the same as political conservatism.

    Ireland is a good example - devoutly Catholic but with very liberal politics. Gay marriage has broad support.

    UK - pretty much godless and very liberal - but historically politics has been dominated by the Conservative party. Broad support for same-sex marriage, and it was actually brought in by a Conservative government.

    China - authoritarian single-party system. Follows Communist ideology with a capitalist bent. Religion - taboo, government controlled, doesn't feature in politics at all. The important difference is that its culturally very Asian. Even eastern democracies like South Korea and Japan have a tricky relationship with gay rights.

    If that were to change you'd imagine CCP would support gay marriage as it poses no threat to ideology or party policies.

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