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2.06 meters tall volleyball player Anna Smrek (1.60m man next to her for scale) (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (30 children)

We all know you what you really meant:

"Stop drawing conclusions from empirical data, it interferes with my prejudice and bigotry."

Or, did you actually think you were courageously taking a stand for...what, exactly? Being a jerk?

Did it really never occur to you that choosing to let your ignorant fear shape your perspective makes you weak??

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women.

    Wow.

    We could pretend that you forgot to say something about "when it comes to sports" or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that'd be a lie.

    So, thank you for proving my point. It is truly just sad and pathetic the way you try to pretend like you even know empirical data means.

    Take your bigotry and shove a back up your ass where it belongs.

    (Did you really think that quoting an extremely widely discredited study that did not involve any empirical data whatsoever was some kind of gotcha? Jesus Christ, that's just pathetic)

    For the record, obsessing over other people's genitalia is just fucking weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Whoa. Seriously? So if we're not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women.

    Yeah goodbye. I'm done with you

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general.

    Edit: spelling

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    It gets much, much more skewed after puberty.

    Because the primary causitive variable here isn't the person's sex chromosomes but their relative hormone levels. It's highly correlated to the sex chromosomes that one is born with, which is what your data shows, but it isn't the cause.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion?

    Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman

    You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype.

    Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one.

    If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline.

    Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping?

    ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone

    That's unfortunately how genetics works.

    What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male?

    I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s.

    Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"?

    Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions.

    If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won.

    So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport.

    Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though.

    If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing.

    ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders.

    You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample.

    She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired?

    You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant.

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