▲ 886 ▼ 2.06 meters tall volleyball player Anna Smrek (1.60m man next to her for scale) (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml to c/mildlyinteresting@lemmy.world 331 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -43 points 1 year ago (29 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 19 points 1 year ago Please tell me you didn't realize we're talking about athletes that have undergone HRT and this study isn't applicable in that case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago None of this proves the op comment you replied to was "making shit up", their only claim was that some trans women have less testosterone than cis women. permalink fedilink source parent [–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (7 children) There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women. Wow. We could pretend that you forgot to say something about "when it comes to sports" or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that'd be a lie. So, thank you for proving my point. It is truly just sad and pathetic the way you try to pretend like you even know empirical data means. Take your bigotry and shove a back up your ass where it belongs. (Did you really think that quoting an extremely widely discredited study that did not involve any empirical data whatsoever was some kind of gotcha? Jesus Christ, that's just pathetic) For the record, obsessing over other people's genitalia is just fucking weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -19 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Whoa. Seriously? So if we're not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women. Yeah goodbye. I'm done with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago ESAR. permalink fedilink source parent [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not even the top men high school boys where better then the top female athletes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (14 children) It gets much, much more skewed after puberty. Because the primary causitive variable here isn't the person's sex chromosomes but their relative hormone levels. It's highly correlated to the sex chromosomes that one is born with, which is what your data shows, but it isn't the cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] urandom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) How many of these best men become trans? Can you name a few? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 19 points 1 year ago Please tell me you didn't realize we're talking about athletes that have undergone HRT and this study isn't applicable in that case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago None of this proves the op comment you replied to was "making shit up", their only claim was that some trans women have less testosterone than cis women. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (7 children) There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women. Wow. We could pretend that you forgot to say something about "when it comes to sports" or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that'd be a lie. So, thank you for proving my point. It is truly just sad and pathetic the way you try to pretend like you even know empirical data means. Take your bigotry and shove a back up your ass where it belongs. (Did you really think that quoting an extremely widely discredited study that did not involve any empirical data whatsoever was some kind of gotcha? Jesus Christ, that's just pathetic) For the record, obsessing over other people's genitalia is just fucking weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -19 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Whoa. Seriously? So if we're not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women. Yeah goodbye. I'm done with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago ESAR. permalink fedilink source parent [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -19 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Whoa. Seriously? So if we're not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women. Yeah goodbye. I'm done with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago ESAR. permalink fedilink source parent [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Whoa. Seriously? So if we're not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women. Yeah goodbye. I'm done with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago ESAR. permalink fedilink source parent [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they're just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) A nazi stan wearing it in his username. Get fucked lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not even the top men high school boys where better then the top female athletes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (14 children) It gets much, much more skewed after puberty. Because the primary causitive variable here isn't the person's sex chromosomes but their relative hormone levels. It's highly correlated to the sex chromosomes that one is born with, which is what your data shows, but it isn't the cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] urandom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) How many of these best men become trans? Can you name a few? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
