▲ 886 ▼ 2.06 meters tall volleyball player Anna Smrek (1.60m man next to her for scale) (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml to c/mildlyinteresting@lemmy.world 331 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (12 children) If the doctors had designated her sex "correctly" when she was born would you hold the same opinion? Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype. Either all women^1^, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one. If your concern is about "unfair advantages gained via doping" then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the "doping" back to within the typical woman baseline. Unless your moral outrage is because you're drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping? ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we're having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children) alteration that isn't and can't be available for everyone That's unfortunately how genetics works. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men's sports /s. Seriously though that's a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Define your goalposts, what exactly is "winning against the best in competition"? Chris Mosier seems like someone who consistently does win in those competitions. If he doesn't count then who, specifically, does "the other way around"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) It's axiomatic. The best means the best. Objectively. Fastest, highest, longest, game won. So your goalpost is a world record? No trans, non-binary, etc. individual I can find has set a world record in any sport. Participating in the Olympics, only to not even finish isn't exactly winning though. If we lower the goalpost to 'any trans, non-binary, etc. individual winning gold in the Olympics' again nobody meets that criteria^1^. Dropping it to simply medaling? Again nothing. ^1 Quinn the soccer player arguably does meet this criteria, but it's a team sport. Using that as your sole evidence of 'loads of examples of the opposite' seems extremely cherry picked doesn't it?^ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders. You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] teslasaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample. She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired? You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent