I've cancelled my subscription yesterday, conveniently it was about to renew at the end of the week, so I have a few days to migrate from Proton, here's what I'm thinking of, but I'd love to hear what other people are switching to

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[–] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

For Mailbox there's also Tuta.

For VPNs you could consider IVPN. It's Gibraltar-based.

As for document collaboration; Cryptpad.

Bitwarden is US-based; see their site - "Bitwarden Inc. is incorporated in the State of Delaware in the United States of America. 8bit Solutions LLC is wholly owned by Bitwarden Inc.". That said, it's OSS and can be hosted locally.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Tuta seems to provide a very good service, but I personally just can't justify going all-in on a provider which doesn't use open standards. Encryption that essentially only works between Tuta inboxes just doesn't promote an open ecosystem. Although, if that isn't a concern, they are probably the best contender in a lot of respects.

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    I've avoided Tuta for quite a while since I've never really liked how it operates. Unfortunately, when it comes to the degoogling coin, privacy spaces have often left Tuta and Proton on a pedestal, owing to their mission statements and ease of use for non-tech people. I'm always open to talking about better alternatives, but I put aside my grievances for the sake of keeping people away from the really bad actors in the email space.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Thanks for sharing. It's valuable to get rare takes like this, one of my favorite things about Lemmy. I just started using Tuta 😭 could you give me some threads to pull on not liking how they operate? And also if you have any recommended provider instead? Ease of use is not a big factor for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    In all honesty my opinion is underdeveloped and mostly based on taste, so don't expect any smoking guns. I'll try to list a few points off the top of my head.

    • Tuta generally doesn't support existing standards such as OpenPGP, where Tuta has it's own, better, encryption. Problem is, standards are widely used and serve as a basis for a larger ecosystem whereas Tuta's solutions aren't. My understanding is that this means in most cases you lose out on the minimal encryption offered in transit by most providers in exchange for a small network of well-encrypted emails. As a fan of open ecosystems and personal choice, I would at least appreciate the option.

    • Tuta's products are often lacking. Expected or QOL features often aren't just missing, but are 'coming soon' for years in the cases where they are released. Tuta's services often do not work with third-party applications, which can lock users into an ecosystem and restrict choice. Worst I've seen is their export features which is still significantly less convienient than their import features, after years of changes and improvements, which feels almost like a trapdoor of sorts.

    • I have a general distaste for anything that attempts to market itself too strongly, or promotes impulse decisions, as these are monopolistic practises that I avoid mainstream solutions to avoid. Tuta makes plenty of claims and announcements, but often doesn't inform users of the benefits or usecases. Tuta also often offers periodic sales, and a discount based off purchasing longer subscriptions, which is the standard admittedly, but tends to put me off personally.

    That all being said, don't take this post as a 'Tuta is horrible and you need to GTFO' statement, but as an invitation to make sure your eggs arent all in a single basket.

    TL:DR Use your own email domain, because changing between provider addresses is a hell I wish upon nobody.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Thanks for your reply. I just wanted to follow up to say that first bullet point (roughly) has already bit me. I wanted to have a self-hosted service send me emails via Tuta but because they are totally encrypted and don't offer any bridging (like proton unfortunately does...) I can't set up SMTP at all with Tuta for that use case. Big bummer. Still fuck Proton though, just gotta find something else. I may jump on the train of thought that trying to encrypt email is pointless anyways and just use other channels for that.

    And yeah, I have started using my own email domain recently :) wish i had that advice ten years ago!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    They're also quickly enshittifying. At this point I'd never trust a US company with anything related to my privacy/security.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Ill check out ivpn, thanks for the tip!

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