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Proton users cancel subscriptions following CEO Andy Yen’s “loser thinking” remarks (cybernews.com)
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[–] 51 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Though, I learned my lesson and bought my own domain. So this pivot should be better.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (11 children)

    I would love to chat this through with you. I have some domains but honestly, Iʻve been told so many times to not roll my own..

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  • [–] 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    Do not run your own email server - highly recommend using your own domain though. Use a provider that lets you BYO your domain. Just make sure you get your MX records correct with your DNS provider, most email providers have documentation for this.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    The hard thing about email is getting all your contacts to use your he address, it is not migrating your email history. So owing the domain is the most important thing you can do.

    You do not have to own your email server, if you have the domain you can go wherever.

    You do then have to defend your domain name, which means making sure it will not expire and is locked.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    One thing on anyone wondering for migrating mail history, Thunderbird works fine for this, Outlook actually also does is it, I want to say a bit better. You don't have to regularly use Outlook, but if you map both the old and new account you can drag and drop mail between them and it just works.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    Likewise. I never plan to host my own email server. You can bring your own domain to Proton, at least.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    ngl, I feel very burried by the effort to "de-google". Like, Iʻm close, very close, and email is like the last thing to do (along with cloud backup).

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I started with cloud backup, it's going reasonably. I'm using something called Jottacloud which so far has been solid for me and has a lot of different types of backups. Migrated some-odd 25000 photos, slowly getting through the rest of my stuff on google drive. Soon I'll be below the 15g and switch to free it'll be great then I can work on the rest of degoogling

    It takes so much work and feels impossible the entire time especially while all the rest of life keeps happening. One step at a time I guess

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    It's very simple. Buy your domain for the next ten years for under $200. Then find an email provider where you can bring your own domain. Namecheap has always been good to me. Maybe also Hetzner in Germany?

    Hetzner provides email with their cheapest webhosting package at €1.60 a month.
    Namecheap is a little more pricey than I expected. You pay $89.28/2 years with a promo code - Renews for $143.76/2 years

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    As others say, buy a domain so it's easier in the future.

    But one thing what helped me was relay email addresses. Whether that's Addy, Simplelogin (now owned by proton so probably not), Firefox Relay, or another. When you sign up to shit, buy something, etc, use one of these email addresses. When you eventually move to your new email address, you can cutover all those accounts to the new one by changing the settings for where it forwards email to.

    You can also use your own domain with a catchall and make up your own whatever@yourdomain if you're ready for that.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    You don't need your own server to have the benefit the person you're replying to is pointing out. If you control the domain, you can just point your DNS at another provider. For example, you can move your catch all inbox in Tuta to a mailbox.org plan with a catch all with a simple DNS update. Then you don't need to change your email addresses anywhere.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Honestly if your using tuta tho its no different then proton. Both are crap for different reasons. One has crap privacy enforcement and the other is ran by a dick head.

    Seriously it baffles me that anyone thinks a german company is remotely trust worthy for security. Its a fucking joke. Any country that has a deal with five eyes should just be assumed its compromised up front. If theres no out side enforcement of security then any promise of it from the inside is worthless.

    E2E encryption doesn't matter when you can't trust the actual host in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    E2E encryption doesn't matter when you can't trust the actual host in the first place.

    Not referring to Tuta specifically, but isnt that the point of E2E encryption? That you have assurance even if you don’t trust the host? Unless they don’t demonstrate and publish what encryption mechanism they use of course.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Your not entirely wrong. It's mostly the fact, that even with e2e your still relying on their word that they aren't doing something shady or do something stupid. There's no external force keeping them honest.

    One is none two is one. Someone's word is good but someone's word, and another keeping them honest is better.

    If your going to trust someone else it's better some form of equality in the deal. As a consumer to a corp that's basically impossible with out a legal enforcement layer.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago*

    I was using Tuta to mailbox as an example for this very reason: you can move your catch all inbox from Tuta to mailbox.org, since it also supports catch all. I'm trying to highlight the benefit that using a service with catch all functionality adds, which is flexibility and easy migration. It was not meant as a recommendation to use Tuta.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    I didn't say anything about "owning the name" other than just buying a domain in general (which you'd also need to do for something self hosted). I am simply saying that using providers that allow for catch all can give you privacy while also giving you the ability to jump ship.

    My primary domain, for example, is not memorable, and it does not have ease of verbal transmission. It's a string I randomly generated.

    What is this endeavor? Control? Your own domain gives you control. Privacy? This is dependent on your provider, VPS, or otherwise. SMTP is generally blocked on residential IPs, so you're going to have to trust and give up control and some level or privacy somewhere. Having a domain gives you the ability to self host if you desire, and if you don't want to do that, then having a domain gives you the ability to easily change mail providers if needed, without the need to change hundreds of accounts.

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