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Proton users cancel subscriptions following CEO Andy Yen’s “loser thinking” remarks (cybernews.com)
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[–] 349 points 5 days ago (84 children)

I've been putting it off, because it took me more than a year to migrate away from Gmail. But this is hard to ignore. I'm tired, fam.

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  • [–] 209 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    The biggest dickhead I know runs my server.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Oh, I've done it.... Won't do it again, but I have done it.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago (13 children)

    GOG is a good company we all pay for.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Not with the AI generated images they use

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    They no longer use it.

    I open it right now and all I see is flashy text with game cover art in the offers/deals pages.

    DRM-free is a big plus.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    They no longer use it.

    Is there a source or proof on that? Or is it just that you didn't find it right now on their website?

    The big drama was during their "2026 sale", where they used GenAI promotional art for the event. They also seem to have refused to confirm using GenAI, and at the time made no promise/commitment to stop.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    This genuinely looked like a mistake, where was it reported they didnt send it to German users? I only saw that it was a German QA team that noticed it.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 days ago

    Article linked elsewhere seems to indicate it didn't go to German users because the German QA team found the issue before it was sent, but due to an internal communication breakdown the issue didn't make it back to the international team before the emails had already been sent. GOG immediately apologized for the mistake and changed their internal processes to catch these types of mistakes sooner.

    It very much reads like an honest mistake, and even then it only impacted a subset of GOG users because it's entirely dependent on the font used to render the email subject. The actual Unicode character used was a curved S (a letter from the Greek character set), but certain fonts render it looking more like the infamous SS symbol.

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  • [–] 51 points 5 days ago (18 children)

    Though, I learned my lesson and bought my own domain. So this pivot should be better.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    I would love to chat this through with you. I have some domains but honestly, Iʻve been told so many times to not roll my own..

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  • [–] 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Do not run your own email server - highly recommend using your own domain though. Use a provider that lets you BYO your domain. Just make sure you get your MX records correct with your DNS provider, most email providers have documentation for this.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    The hard thing about email is getting all your contacts to use your he address, it is not migrating your email history. So owing the domain is the most important thing you can do.

    You do not have to own your email server, if you have the domain you can go wherever.

    You do then have to defend your domain name, which means making sure it will not expire and is locked.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Likewise. I never plan to host my own email server. You can bring your own domain to Proton, at least.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    ngl, I feel very burried by the effort to "de-google". Like, Iʻm close, very close, and email is like the last thing to do (along with cloud backup).

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I started with cloud backup, it's going reasonably. I'm using something called Jottacloud which so far has been solid for me and has a lot of different types of backups. Migrated some-odd 25000 photos, slowly getting through the rest of my stuff on google drive. Soon I'll be below the 15g and switch to free it'll be great then I can work on the rest of degoogling

    It takes so much work and feels impossible the entire time especially while all the rest of life keeps happening. One step at a time I guess

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    You don't need your own server to have the benefit the person you're replying to is pointing out. If you control the domain, you can just point your DNS at another provider. For example, you can move your catch all inbox in Tuta to a mailbox.org plan with a catch all with a simple DNS update. Then you don't need to change your email addresses anywhere.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago

    Saying that others have it worse is putting the wrong person down especially when you dont know anything else about their life. We should be putting the companies and people that put us in the predicament in the first place down. They are the ones causing the problems. Not the commenter you responded to.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago

    I've not really shown my hand, either.

    For example. I had a Slashdot account before I had a Digg account before I had a Reddit account before I had a Lemmy account.

    Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    what the hell are you even fighting? who are you fighting with? this isnt the meaningless 'we're not the same' bickering is it? if youre tired, act the part: give it a rest.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 days ago

    Yeah, it's taken me a similar time to migrate away from Gmail and I'm not keen to repeat the process. But if this is what Proton's code quality control is going to be like going forward - employees forced to push improperly-tested code because of their unhinged CEO - I'm going to have to go through the whole process again. Sigh.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    I spent the day getting things set up to leave.

    Pass went to KeePass, which was easier than I expected.

    Drive is now replaced with Filen.io

    Standard Notes is now Obsidian

    Looking at AirVPN, but not ready to pull the trigger on that yet.

    Still looking for a calendar. Thunderbird has one but it's not on mobile for some reason.

    The big one is mail. I was the same as you migrating from gmail so I'm learning my lesson now. Set up Thundermail today and have 3 custom domains set up. Spent hours today swapping out account emails. It's rough, but I did it to myself. I knew going full Proton ecosystem was a bad idea, but at the time I just wanted out of Google. Take your time.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    If I'd only put off de-googling a bit longer before I saw the news I could have skipped this hop. Oh well...

    I'm eyeballing Tuta. Anyone have other recommendations?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago

    I’d recommend an e-mail provider that supports custom domains, so you can easily switch at any time. I personally use Purelymail; I’ve also heard good things about Fastmail and Migadu.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    Tuta mail and calendar has been a real easy switch. I imported my emails from proton and just started a fresh calendar because I could and it was a good excuse to clean mine up.

    The iOS apps work well and the experimental flatpak on desktop has been totally fine.

    I have very little complaints so far tbh. I’m not like blown away or anything but everything just seems to work.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    The thread here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50317991 raises some valid concerns about the Reddit post in question. It explicitly even says its been approved by the company, so idunno. 404 Media has done a lot of legit exposés in the last few years. I'm inclined to trust journalists over the guy posting on Reddit with permission from Proton. The screenshots apparently included show Yen telling an employee to do damage control with their personal account on reddit, which really makes things look even worse, doesn't it?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    The only reasonably future proof solution is to get your own domain, and redirect emails sent to @yourdomain.com to your email provider.

    Then you can freely change providers in the future but your email addresses stay the same. Doing that costs very little and doesn't require any self hosting, just buying a domain. Looks professional too.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    No, your emails are still sent from your providers servers and are signed by Proton/Tuta/Gmail/whatever you choose to use. Your domain is the from: field but it was sent by the actual email provider with all the trust behind it.

    I never ran into something requiring a Google/Apple address. Some may require a Google account, but you can create a Google account with any email address. You don't actually need to use Gmail on your Google account.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    I think I'm going to start using my own domain, so I can change hosts if needed without having to change email addresses. This seems like it's going to be an issue we'll always need to be prepared to deal with.

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