▲ 661 ▼ Can anyone overthrow Steam on PC? "As long as Valve is independent and not a publicly traded company," analyst says it looks impossible (www.gamesradar.com) submitted 1 week ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 300 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 54 points 1 week ago (14 children) Steam could be assholes. They are not. Best argument for no public trading of the company. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (9 children) Public trading results in short-sighted planning because investors can always buy/sell stocks and move on to whatever is profitable moment to moment. Private companies plan longer term because the investors benefit from the company's long-term success. Their profits come from the company's profits, not the value of the stock. Make no mistake, Valve is in it for the money. They're as greedy as anyone. But they operate under a corporate structure that values the long-term viability of its platform. And they're still assholes. They are all about lootboxes, DLC, etc. And they take a massive cut of sales. Do Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo do the same? Yeah - but they also provide the hardware platforms. Does Best Buy and Gamestop charge similar fees? Yeah - but they have the overhead of the retail locations. Steam makes stupid money off a download platform and game launcher. Gabe is a billionaire yacht collector, not your friend. His greed just takes a longer view than that of someone looking to sell their shares from minute to minute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (4 children) The biggest thing these days is that they are not hostile towards their customers. The bar is that fucking low. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Their assholery isn't customer-facing, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) So you are saying that the devs don't like using the steam platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Yeah they could be 10x cooler by just being slightly less greedy, but they want lots and lots of money, so permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zink@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago At this point in time I care way more about Valve's investment in Linux gaming than I do about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo working on their next closed proprietary PC with custom controllers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] III@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) So Gabe is a billionaire asshole who is not your friend. But unlike other billionaire assholes that aren't your friend he doesn't choose to go out of his way to fuck over his customers and his products for a few pennies more. There's gotta be a term for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago successful. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueJello@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago Public traded companies are short sighted because they give the CEO et al large amounts of stock, making them stock holders, aligning their interests with making the stock go up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago you do not want Gabe Newell answering to a bunch of cunts who want to enshittify for a quick buck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NovaVeles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago Best argument for no public trading of most companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] adarza@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago including getting bought-out by a company that is (microsoft, ea, sony, etc) permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) Valve wanted to be assholes when it came to returns, but a court case forced them to be good. I am sure there are more examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (9 children) Public trading results in short-sighted planning because investors can always buy/sell stocks and move on to whatever is profitable moment to moment. Private companies plan longer term because the investors benefit from the company's long-term success. Their profits come from the company's profits, not the value of the stock. Make no mistake, Valve is in it for the money. They're as greedy as anyone. But they operate under a corporate structure that values the long-term viability of its platform. And they're still assholes. They are all about lootboxes, DLC, etc. And they take a massive cut of sales. Do Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo do the same? Yeah - but they also provide the hardware platforms. Does Best Buy and Gamestop charge similar fees? Yeah - but they have the overhead of the retail locations. Steam makes stupid money off a download platform and game launcher. Gabe is a billionaire yacht collector, not your friend. His greed just takes a longer view than that of someone looking to sell their shares from minute to minute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (4 children) The biggest thing these days is that they are not hostile towards their customers. The bar is that fucking low. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Their assholery isn't customer-facing, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) So you are saying that the devs don't like using the steam platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Yeah they could be 10x cooler by just being slightly less greedy, but they want lots and lots of money, so permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zink@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago At this point in time I care way more about Valve's investment in Linux gaming than I do about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo working on their next closed proprietary PC with custom controllers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] III@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) So Gabe is a billionaire asshole who is not your friend. But unlike other billionaire assholes that aren't your friend he doesn't choose to go out of his way to fuck over his customers and his products for a few pennies more. There's gotta be a term for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago successful. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueJello@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago Public traded companies are short sighted because they give the CEO et al large amounts of stock, making them stock holders, aligning their interests with making the stock go up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (4 children) The biggest thing these days is that they are not hostile towards their customers. The bar is that fucking low. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Their assholery isn't customer-facing, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) So you are saying that the devs don't like using the steam platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Yeah they could be 10x cooler by just being slightly less greedy, but they want lots and lots of money, so permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Their assholery isn't customer-facing, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) So you are saying that the devs don't like using the steam platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Yeah they could be 10x cooler by just being slightly less greedy, but they want lots and lots of money, so permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) So you are saying that the devs don't like using the steam platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago They don't like the largest expense on their books being Steam's cut of the sales. After overhead, marketing, locensing, etc the actual dev teams making the games probably make less than Gabe personally does on the same game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Yeah they could be 10x cooler by just being slightly less greedy, but they want lots and lots of money, so permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zink@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago At this point in time I care way more about Valve's investment in Linux gaming than I do about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo working on their next closed proprietary PC with custom controllers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] III@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 child) So Gabe is a billionaire asshole who is not your friend. But unlike other billionaire assholes that aren't your friend he doesn't choose to go out of his way to fuck over his customers and his products for a few pennies more. There's gotta be a term for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago successful. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueJello@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago Public traded companies are short sighted because they give the CEO et al large amounts of stock, making them stock holders, aligning their interests with making the stock go up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago you do not want Gabe Newell answering to a bunch of cunts who want to enshittify for a quick buck. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NovaVeles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago Best argument for no public trading of most companies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago including getting bought-out by a company that is (microsoft, ea, sony, etc) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) Valve wanted to be assholes when it came to returns, but a court case forced them to be good. I am sure there are more examples. permalink fedilink source parent