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[–] 164 points 1 week ago (70 children)

Every phone maker seems convinced that if they can be the one to make this work, they'll be the champion of world forever, or something.

I can't understand why a user would even want this. How many users do want this?

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  • [–] 125 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I like the idea of it, but I can live without it.

    A foldable phone has the benefits of a tablet (screen size) and a phone (more compact), allowing you to alternate between the two at will. I can see the appeal.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Kinda. They tend to result in a phone that is too big to be comfortable, that open to a tablet that is too small to be all that useful.

    The Duo has a cover screen that is 5.4 inches and it unfolds to 7.6", while being thicker, bigger and heavier than a 18 pro max with a 6.9" screen. Is the pro max a tablet already then, it's quite dang close in screen size after all.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    To me, it's the aspect ratio of the screens.

    This passport style ratio is what I want from such a device because that's how all paper looks like in my country. We use the ISO paper standard being A sizes. They're like the Goldilocks shape for books and media. Modern smartphones right now is closer to cinematic ratio of 21:9, but most TV content are still 16:9. Letter boxing is at the left and right side and I somehow dislike this.

    This more bookish shape puts the letter box on top and bottom and somehow that's more preferable for me.

    It also fits a lot better with papers and documents as A4 paper size is proportional to the passport ratio.

    I'm going by the assumption that the duo is following the ISO paper ratio though. IIRC the Samsung fold 8 outer screen does follow it, but due to engineering the inner bigger screen is 4:3, which is not ISO paper ratio, but close enough.

    All this to say that a 7.6" screen with a 20:9 aspect ratio will not fit the same way with a 1:1.4 ratio for non progressive web content. And I prefer the latter.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Things are already generally optimized for a phone screen though.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    Stuff like this doesn't mess with websites that much as it's all rectangles anyway. And as the comment above said you get to alternate between the sizes/proportions at will so this becomes a non issue. Use smaller screen for common stuff and then the bigger one for movies, games, comics, ebooks, displaying recipes in big text to see from far away, and whatever else you want. People could simply carry around a tabled at all times but there's the extra convenience of it fitting in your pocket and being the same device as you wouldn't have to sync data between them. This is something similar to an argument for cameras in phones, you always have it with you ready when a need comes up and a camera you don't have with you when you need it is useless.

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  • To me it just seems like you get a tablet that is too small with the cost of having a chonky and heavy phone and a screen that has a added failure point.

    But I'm one of those weirdos who doesnt know where my phone is 95% of the time. I check KDE Connect for notifications once or twice a day and if it shows that the battery is low, I find the phone and plug it in. So I guess I'm not the person these new phonetablets are marketed to

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago

    I do. Consolidating my phone and tablet into a single device would be very convenient. Adding support for an external monitor, keyboard and mouse to replace my laptop would be even better. I didn't buy a Duo not because I don't want the product, but because I know they won't work well for another few iterations (at least).

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago

    I'll join the chorus. If the price-point were right and the tech were reliable, I'd happily trade a good amount of thickness in order to have the option of an iPad Mini or an iPhone, but in the footprint of the latter when not in use. I really prefer to carry my phone in my front pocket and not to EDC a bag.

    It's just that the price-point is wrong and the tech is not reliable.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Why would I want this? Because I'm sad and I fly around the world and I thought that instead of having a tablet and phone I could have it in one!

    Then I listen to these tech YouTubers say that this is it! I bought my folding phone and I very rarely unfold it. Wasted so much money and I'm like bleh ...

    Then guess what? I see the YouTubers say, last year's iteration wasn't it, but this year's one fixes it!

    Urgh ...

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  • I bought my folding phone and I very rarely unfold it. Wasted so much money and I'm like bleh ..

    Basically the experience I had with my first smartphone: I got it into my head that having a foldout QWERTY keyboard would make writing more than just short text messages on a phone less weird and that getting a Nokia would also help ease the transition from dumb to smart since most of my previous phones had been Nokias.

    Turns out I quickly stopped using that keyboard and the Symbian OS Nokia used back then was compatible with like a dozen apps or so 🤦🏻

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  • [–] 52 points 1 week ago (21 children)

    You can't understand why someone would want phone that becomes a tablet? Really?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago

    For real. Just last weekend I was at a conference and realized that I left my tablet at home and the agenda/workbook for the event was PDF. I was pinching and scrolling with my iPhone while my colleague next to me opened up his Galaxy Fold and was reading everything fine. I mean, yeah, it's not a common need for me, but there's definitely use-cases for this--especially for people who have to read digital documents on the go a lot and don't want to have to carry extra devices just to do so.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (15 children)

    You're saying there's been zero times you're looking at something on your phone and would like a bigger screen for it? Not once have you had something on your phone and wished it was full size? Or gone to open it on a tablet or computer instead?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Having never owned a tablet, it’s either a phone or my pc monitor. I even have an iPhone 12 MINI, and I’m a bigger dude so it looks like a business card in my hand.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    All those times i also wanted a mouse and keyboard.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I can say as a Pixel 9 Pro Fold owner, I have used it. And never once have I really needed a full keyboard and mouse for what I'd even think of using my phone for.

    I only use it for some mobile gaming, and websites that do very poorly on mobile despite that being the only online device for so many people nowadays.

    Having actually use one as a daily driver for over a year,... it's not worth it. It's not worth the additional weight and bulk, carrying it around all the time for the handful of times I do use it. And without a significant battery increase to justify despite being literally twice as thick as a normal phone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    Not the person you asked but yes actually. I never want more screen on my phone. I barely use it. I have the Pixel because it can run Graphene OS, and I want that, but if I could run Graphene on it I'd want something smaller. It's so annoying to carry the thing around. I use my phone to test and call people. And to use organic maps and gps to tell me when my next turn is. Basically nothing else. Altho if people want to use their phone as their everything device then they're free to I guess. Just not for me. So I'd never want a folding one.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I want to follow in on your footsteps, for sure. I can't right now because of work and kids, but I've been slowly going out to walk with nothing but an MP3 player, and have my phone off during commute as well.

    The first few times I was honestly anxious. Now, shit, I was part of that army of drones out there, what a fucking eye opener, honestly.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago*

    I wanted one. I tried to buy one. It sold out faster than I could click add to cart.

    I currently have an iPhone 16 pro max and it isn’t big enough. I liked the idea of having a bigger screen on-demand, in a portable cellular form factor.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    I want one but then I go to T-Mobile and see that dammed crease in the middle and I know my OCD ass won't be able to handle it.

    And I work in the repair industry so it wouldn't last very long. And it has no practical use. At all. It's just a keeping up with the Jones gimmick and it's made by apple. All their tech sucks they survive on nothing but name.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    Guys, we had the optimal form factor, the LG Wing, years ago! No folding displayed required!

    I'm not even joking. I used mine for years and loved it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Guys, we had the optimal form factor, the LG Wing, years ago! I used mine for years and loved it.

    I genuinely thought this would be some old ass phone from when before smartphones were a thing.

    It came out in 2020. The phone I'm typing this on came out 1,5 years after that.

    Also what is this monstrosity??

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah, another great phone that we need more versions of. LG also tried that via a case for the Velvet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    And the G7 and G8 before the Velvet.

    In fact LG was one of the few ones to try the dual screen phones. For them, it's via add-on cases. Then there's the Microsoft Surface phones. But then you have no choice because it's always attached. They're more like prototype current foldable phones though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I really miss my LG Wing. The USB port went out first and I used to charge it only with wireless charging for a few months but that's just not viable for longevity. No shop around here wants to take a crack at repairing it for me.

    Genuinely the second small screen is so useful. I can have my navigation and music player on screens and not muck about as much. I can list more but now I'm ashamed as most of what I use both for are for media consumption lol

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I can't understand why a user would even want this. How many users do want this?

    I dunno what to tell you, I love the thing. I’ve liked the idea of foldables for a while. My buddy got the Z Fold 7 and loves it, I picked up the Duo and it’s great for me.

    Foldables certainly aren’t the right fit for everyone, there are inherent trade offs. But I love the concept. I love having a small tablet with me everywhere. I love how compact the device is when folded. I’m enjoying a phone that is substantially different from every smartphone I’ve ever used. It reminds me of when smartphones were new and each one had things that made them unique.

    I can certainly understand why people wouldn’t want one. But I find it surprising that you can’t understand why someone would.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Again, I can understand why someone wouldn’t want one. Are you truly incapable of recognizing that other people have different device priorities than you do?

    I use my phone more than any other device I own. It being expensive is justifiable if I get better use out of it. And it being fragile isn’t a problem for me, it’s plenty sturdy enough. I’ve not broken a phone in a very long time. So for me, personally, the two issues you raised that make you unable to understand why someone would want one do not deter me. Does that make sense?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    The concept is kinda cool. Take the Galaxy Fold 8 for example; a nice and compact phone that actually fits in your pocket and can be a tablet if you wanna watch a movie or something in bed or public transport.

    I still wouldn't buy one; spending over a grand on a phone that even if it holds up fine can be damaged by accidentally tapping on the screen wrong seems dumb. Nevermind that I personally wouldn't buy a Samsung for multiple reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    can be damaged by accidentally tapping on the screen wrong

    That's not really a thing unless you mean tapping with a hammer or something. I've been using these since the Z Fold 3.

    It's not the most wise way to spend your money of course, but not everything needs to be.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Pressure damage? Like, accidental, with your fingers? No, neither is it especially scratch prone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Nah, the outer layer of the flexible screen is quite rigid to the touch. You don't leave marks with your fingernail. I've used TPU screen protectors on the inner screen that have that property, I think. If you look at the glare from a light source, you can see indents in that. But even then, it's not something you otherwise notice.

    I don't want to seem like a breathless booster for flexible phones, they are too expensive to be considered practical, I think. But there are some misconceptions about them, some which seem to come from the first version of the Z Fold, which honestly does sound like a nightmare device.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    For the same price with no tradeoffs? I'd like one. For a lot more with downsides? Nah, I'm good. I have very little need or desire for this. A normal phone shape handles 99.99% of my phone use cases perfectly. It'd be nice to have, but it's not worth much.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    I get the appeal, especially as I get older and my vision isn't as good. Having a screen that can be bigger as needed helps in a number of ways. That said, no way I'd buy one because I don't see how they survive in the long term.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    me, i have a Motorola flip, excellent pockeabikity, tried the Samsung Fold 8 (not ultra) looks excellent for my use but I'm poor, so it stays on the display.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I thought the first Motorola with grapheneOS have been confirmed and it's not a flip form factor. And it's flagship. This caused a lot of jimmies rustled. I understand why, because Motorola is more known for their budget offering, but I also have seen why it has to be flagship because there are hardware stuff that's needed by grapheneOS.

    The Pixels having the proper security hardware on their poor performing on benchmarks SoC seems more like a happy coincidence to me. I'm happy to be politely corrected.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago*

    Investors want repeats of the iPhone and social media revolution. They won't get it by making tweaks to the smartphone or social media platforms. Nothing will stop them from trying, but all of this is just spinning the wheels.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Well, I've tried it (fold6) and after 23 months the inner foil started having bubbles, then it grew to a huge bubble along the crease and shortly after the display below the bubble was black.

    So while it worked well and was useful, mostly with watching movies, photos or maps I switched back to a standard phone and would never use a foldable display again since my assumptions were proven.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I have no desire for this. Id rather have an old school folding style type phone that folds flush so when you open it the display is across two sections with a miniscule gap. Like a phone sized Nintendo ds. Instead we get DS sized phones that are awkward as hell with so many typea of clothing.

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