rockSlayer comments on Democratic candidate for the senate, Josh Turek, releases an anti-trans campaign ad referring to trans women as "males competing in females' sports."

Democratic candidate for the senate, Josh Turek, releases an anti-trans campaign ad referring to trans women as "males competing in females' sports." (video.twimg.com)

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This got removed from politics because "Video links are not allowed" apparently? Pretty weird considering that most politicians say stuff on video nowadays and not really writing articles anymore since the invention of the radio pretty much lol. Hope it's a better fit here, this is the kind of stuff people should be aware of.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/73859928

cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/13118934

Josh Turek of Iowa, Democrat, comes out with one of the worst anti-trans ads yet.

Not only is it an anti-sports ad, it proposes a ban on federal funding for gender affirming care. That would hit all medicaid and medicare patients, and any ACA federally-subsidized plans as well.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (67 children)

Let's do a tally.

Democrat: anti-trans
Republican: anti-trans

By voting and not selecting either candidate for this race, it sends a crystal clear message to the Democratic party that anti-trans campaigns are a losing strategy; they already know that, but the dnc is dense as fuck and needs to see it again after 2020 and 2024. Voting for the Democrat in this race is rubber stamping anti-trans stances, they'll move right again

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The Democrat is fascist too, what part of that don't you understand?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Ok, so then explain the difference between the genocidal Democrat and the genocidal Republican. Specifically this race.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Good to know that you consider my human rights to be an acceptable compromise.

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[+] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I asked you not to call me that, because I'm trans+, not because I consider it an insult. Your second time is a blatant misgendering. You really don't care about trans people, do you?

Where is your line? At what point should we start saying "actually, your position on trans people is so unacceptable that I can't support you"? Because a ban on trans healthcare should be enough.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

I call my girlfriend dude. It’s not a gendered name

I don't care what you think. I consider it gendered, and therefore don't want to be called that.

chicka

Trans+, not trans. Try not assuming gender instead.

There is no line

Cool, so you'll sacrifice everything and everyone as long as it's the right kind of fascist.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

You advocate for absolutely nothing but fascism.

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[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Kapo.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's not crystal clear though because other people still vote. So they would really have no idea you sat out because of this

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Read carefully. I didn't say "don't vote at all". I said "don't vote for this seat". They will have statistics for the ballots which didn't vote for the Senate race but voted for other government positions.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago

Perhaps by amplifying the voice of trans people in the build-up and aftermath of the coordinated campaign.

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[–] pieberry@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

If they can't figure out that being against human rights was the cause for their loss, then I want nothing to do with them until they figure it out and change course.

Anyone who is against human rights does not deserve my vote.

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[+] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -7 points 2 weeks ago (47 children)

You forgot Republicans is anti a lot more, and when they get more votes and win, more people suffer and the message to dems is they aren't doing enough shitty things.

Are you okay with the republican cuts to Medicare, ACA, aid support around the world which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of kid deaths?

Because by not voting against them, you are showing you don't care enough to stop them.

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[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

Nah, fuck that bullshit. I'm trans. If you don't care enough about the lives of and my people to vote against transphobes, I don't really care what happens to the rest of the country at that point. If the entire society wants to go bigot, well then you all can go straight to hell. Let democracy fall. You clearly don't deserve it.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (45 children)

So what I'm hearing is that you're ok with trans genocide. Human rights are non-negotiable.

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So what I’m hearing is that you have no solution to the reality of the choices here. It’s either D, R, 3rd party, or not voting. Play out each of those voting scenarios for me. How does it impact the national layout of Congress?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What I'm hearing is that you find the genocide of trans people an acceptable compromise between the 2 major parties. You would rather vote for a Democrat that wants to federally ban trans healthcare than push back against the Democrats even a little.

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don’t live in Iowa, so I don’t know what the other primary candidates were like. Does it suck that this is the winner of the Democrat party? Absolutely, but apparently that’s what a majority of Democrats in Iowa wanted.

No fucking clue, but what the reality of the situation is that either a D or R are going to win this race.

What is your solution to this scenario? Let Hinson win so that there can be even more harm?

The more seats the Republicans win/hold in Congress, the worse off the entire country will be.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You don't have to live in Iowa for me to understand this, because you've already made it pretty clear what side you'd be on if it were a decision you need to make. And it's not on the side of trans people.

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Interesting that there are several people that simply REFUSE to answer what they would do in this scenario.

Given the choice of Turek or Hinson, what would you do?

Don’t give me philosophical what-if scenarios. This is the reality of the ballot box in Iowa.

Turek or Hinson?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I already told you what I would do, you just don't want to listen. I would go to the polling place and vote, while not voting on this seat. This would be a part of a coordinated campaign that also uplifts the voices of trans people during and after, to make it impossible for the dnc to ignore.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Funny claiming the rights are non negotiable yet you are giving up far more by allowing a republican to win instead.

You might be able to change his mind about trans rights.

You 100% will not change the republicans and they want even more people to lose their rights and care even less about their lives.

I'm loving in the real world where voting has major consequences and trying to deal with reducing the amount of hatred and saving lives. Not voting against republicans will cost countless more lives to be lost.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (15 children)

The Democrat wants the same thing as the Republican. There is no changing either of their minds. I am one of their targets. Don't fucking talk down to me like I don't know what I'm talking about.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Where did I say that they were exactly the same? Why are you being disingenuous?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Yea, they both want to strip my human rights away. I didn't say that they were exactly the same. Different words mean different things.

My life will get demonstrably worse with either candidate, being trans+ myself. We are not your volleyball in the game of politics, we are people.

I'm organizing unions, to build labor power in support of a general strike that CWA, UAW, and other unions are building towards.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

When the "good guys" are talking about taking away human rights, there is no better or worse. Only depths of depravity.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Really neither could be worse? How very black and white your world vote is. Ignorance is bliss

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

How fucking dare you accuse me of ignorance when I'm warning about trans genocide coming from a Democrat while you tell me to ignore my looming slaughter to vote for a person that wants me dead. Go fuck yourself.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

What bliss you cretin? There is a trans genocide looming and you're ready to throw trans people under the bus to save your sorry ass 🦨💨

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Ah yes letting Republicans win will surely avoid Trans hate!

If you think letting them win office won't hurt Trans and others you are delusional

Yes the dem here is an ignorant asshole and this ad is terrible, but he's still better than his opponent and their views of Trans and others lives.

If you honestly think a Trans genocide is looming, you should do everything you can to not let a republican win and prevent it.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You people are so ignorant and short-sighted while lecturing everyone else and calling them ignorant, it's honestly baffling.

What do you think other dem campaigns will look like if the transphobe manages to end an 18 year losing streak? Why do you think giving yards and miles to the fascists is acceptable in any form?? How do you hope to accomplish anything if you keep bowing your head and licking dem boot?

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Having watched it happen over and over already when the right sounds it moves farther right each year. When the left winds out moves left.

We have racists and nazis now because they keep winning because there is no perfect dem and people vote 3rd party or don't vote "to send a message". It doesn't fucking work.

Stop the bleeding.

A shitty dem is still better than a even more hateful republican. Start the process of moving the state left and reach year vote in more progressive people.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We have racists and nazis now because they keep winning because there is no perfect dem and people vote 3rd party or don’t vote “to send a message”. It doesn’t fucking work.

People aren't looking for a perfect dem, people are looking for a non-genocidal one. They were willing to support the palestinian genocide while preaching trans rights, now they are supporting the trans genocide while preaching something else, why does anyone still believe them??

Stop the bleeding.

That's up to the dems!!

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Fact is you have two real choices because of how elections work

Fact is if you don't push for the lesser, even going as far as to push people to not vote for them, you are actively pushing for the worse person to win

Fact is the more dems that win, the more power the whole party gets. That means more progressives have real power to change and can sway the more right members of the party.

Fact is anyone pushing "they are the same" and not voting are responsible for the bad caused by the right winning more and more and helping to push their Nazi agenda.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago*

Fact is people that are willing to throw minorities under the bus to appeal to fascists are not progressive.

Fact is that if they win, other states will take note and copy.

Fact is that if you vote for lesser fascism you are still voting for fascism.

Fact is you have no plan, no clue and don't want to do anything hard so you just keep voting blue hoping things will turn around someday somehow.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

Explain how your non vote is going to save their lives? You are okay with it and more by not voting and getting someone even worse in office.

At least voting them in maybe their fellow dems can change their mind. Getting 4 more years of a republican means 4 more years of anti rights and deaths.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

My choices would be between "the person that wants to kill me", and "the person that wants to kill me". I'm a target of their genocide.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Where is the line? At what point are you unwilling to support a candidate over their anti-trans stance? Banning trans healthcare should be enough.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (13 children)

That doesn't answer the question. At what point is a Democrat's anti-trans stance unacceptable to you?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Both are unacceptable. Voting for either will indicate to the dnc to move right. The only way forward is to show Democrats that people will not vote for anti-trans stances.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

You aren't fucking listening. I didn't say don't vote at all. I said don't vote for this seat. This isn't a god damn purity test, this is a candidate openly saying that I shouldn't have rights.

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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

You really expect Trans people to vote for someone who advocates their death? I mean really?

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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm so sick and tired of you people pretending not to understand the consequences of these actions. Trans people will die from the policies he's endorsing here. That is inescapable. Now that's okay for you cuz for you trans people are a token that needs to be spent.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No I'm sick of peeps like you pretending there is a 3rd option or that his opponent isn't worse.

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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Worse for you maybe. But why should trans people care? You are okay with them dead. What do they owe you?

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

No I'm not dumbass

But you are showing your true colors

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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Literally are.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also where does this person want to kill you? Amazing how you made that up so you don't have to face that not voting for them will lead to deaths by your inaction

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Trans healthcare is lifesaving. It's really fucking telling that you either don't know that or choose to ignore it so you can come in on your high horse and tell the trans people that they're overreacting because a Democrat wants to ban trans healthcare.

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