It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

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[–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (77 children)

I think Philip was referring to the venom and hostility on display from some lately. I said something similar to pug last night. To be clear it isn't you or anything you've done.

And I fully understand the recoiling at some of the hyper reflexive venom on display from a few when anything regarding AI is brought up. It's a tool, and neither good or bad on its own. But some squeal like drama queens if you even bring it up.

Conversely the other day I had someone from your instance call me, someone who would at least be a syndicist a shit-lib. Because I made a point of calling for solidarity and mutual aid, pointing out that our failures to do so are part of what has led us to the current points of crisis we find ourselves in. I had a bit of a chuckle at the tanky talk. But it wasn't something completely isolated. Though again I'm gonna reiterate. None of this involves you. And you aren't their keeper. They are adults who can make their own decisions and mistakes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (76 children)

    Ye, we obviously can have some acerbic users as well, can't avoid it 12k registrations. But if someone is too toxic consistently, we tend to get rid of them. Still doesn't make the instance tankie thought 😅

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh for sure. I know I can be a handful myself, as can pug. Generally on the whole though. It's not been the experience I've had with the instance. But it has been something that oddly has come up a number of times lately. Quite honestly I think current events are really testing and breaking a lot of people.

    Sadly the horrors are only getting started. Things are going to get so much worse.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Feel free to make a ytpb post about it and we can see what people think about such mods

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    There are multiple posts there already about the topic including the most popular one that was locked because the mods kept failing to understand what anyone was saying.

    If you want to know what people think, check out the up to down vote ratio in the comments. Feel free to accuse .world of brigading like those mods or whatever other stupid excuse based on a lack of understanding how instance populations work.

    I was banned because Unruffled is a petty jerk, so I won't be posting another thread about the same topic of how petty and toxic a small group of prolific mods of dbzer0 communities are. Pointing that out is clearly not allowed in yptb.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/961853

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48662871

    Holy FUCK lol

    I knew things were getting weird but I had no idea. I can't even begin to unpack all the layers of this. There's too much.

    "How dare you speak ill of the people above you, disagree with their decisions and explain why even, on this YPTB sub. That is classed as 'pissy' and 'shitty' and will earn a perma ban for those reasons. Meanwhile, if you have a grudge against a 'turbolib', here are some handy slurs you might want to use..."

    I still also can't fathom the apparently successful effort to start to split people into "pro AI" and "anti AI" camps.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's not that deep, it's just people getting banned over downvoting in communities they don't contribute to. A debate even older than Lemmy

    I still also can’t fathom the apparently successful effort to start to split people into “pro AI” and “anti AI” camps.

    Yeah, I just don't get why it's getting so heated lately https://lemmy.world/post/31072292/17587686

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Sapphic is trans.

    She literally was making a pretty simple and coherent point:

    People wouldn't have engaged with the trolls if the admins banned them, but they didn't. But sure, keep abusing your position to remove my comments stating the abuse of your staff, i bet it feels great every time. Blahaj is more of a tribalistic cult than a safe space these days. And you can't guilt me into falling in line like the ones afraid of getting banned. And about my modlog, the bans for "Gatekeeping" are actually for disagreeing with the moderation decisions that protected the trolls, this is a common blanket ban used by blahaj admins to avoid accountability.

    Comment removed. "Off topic and pissy." And then, ban. And you're so deep in the db0-hole that you have fully absorbed the idea "disagreeing with db0 mods on their handling or defense of a trans issue = transphobia," and don't blink an eye or notice a problem with that whole sequence of events. Karl Rove would be proud.

    I genuinely think you probably look at that and think "Yep, that makes perfect sense, that trans person is super transphobic, which I'm definitely qualified to judge her on and ban her for, as is db0, yep, get her the fuck out of here before she fucks up our handling of trans issues by giving input to them." Meanwhile, in reality-land, it is fairly obvious that the dbzer0 admins are just kind of doing whatever they want, and reaching for random Lemmy-friendly labels to slap on their reasons, which you will then not question for some reason.

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    I'm sorry, are you unable to count votes to see what people think about your mods?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We really don't use votes for yptb. We have specific keywords if one wants to tally. Likewise actual voting happens in our governance comm, and our actual users seem to be onboard with what we've been doing consistently

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (57 children)

    But if someone is too toxic consistently, we tend to get rid of them.

    What if they are admins that seem to follow someone or at least constantly be needlessly rude and aggressive towards and lie about a certain individual?

    (Not to make any claims or anything about dbzer0 being tankie)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (52 children)

    Anyone solid in our instance can request an admin recall with a vote

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (50 children)

    You'd prefer that one person decide by fiat what's OK or not? I don't know about you but I find democracy superior to dictatorship, even when nominally "benevolent" .

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Why not post on !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org if you want to report such abuse on a place where db0 admins can't intervene?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I meant that they can't remove the post or comments, not that they can't comment

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So then you can use that post to support your claims when you say you are getting bullied

    I hate this place.

    Advice was given on other threads. There are probably topics that you like that are not meta related. You can focus on those.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (37 children)

    Clearly, it's not "obvious" at all. Again, we anarchists tend to prefer democracy over dictatorship.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (36 children)

    I wasn't necessarily referring only to the specific circumstance. I was also pointing out the flaw in the logic of "only democracy".

    Again, my point was that a common feedback loop and/or an alignment of a person's toxicity can easily protect someone from justice. Similar to what is happening to the US political parties, particularly the Republican party. Plenty of people align and agree with what is happening and thus it is allowed to continue and even escalate.

    As long as someone can paint a better picture and have a following to support then, then a person can get away with seemingly anything at dbzer0. Just gotta get those votes from the people willing and able to participate during the voting period.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    What's your superior alternative?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So your suggest is that I just act by fiat against the other mods?

    I don't know mate, I feel like your issues would be resolved if you didn't go in random threads and start badmouthing our instance as a whole and then complain the our users try to defend it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You literally jumped into this very discussion I was having with someone else. I saw you elsewhere just piping up out of the blue just to shit on our instance, don't try to play the victim here that's you're just minding your own and bad people keep hounding you.

    Stop shitstirring if you don't want to be splattered with shit.

    Sorry, but thr only one lying and twisting the truth has always been yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Blocking is a normal way to avoid interacting with people you don't want to.

    Hexbear or lemmygrad users could be talking about you without you seeing it due to defederation, it's not that different

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Anyone who sees my post/comment sees their lies, too.

    Why do you care? Or, if you care enough, why not bear the burden?

    There's no ideal solution

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    It's a forum, people are going to reply when you mention them

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    You were complaining about vote manipulation, Unruffled commented saying they had banned the alts used for vote manipulation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    What the actual fuck is this shit? What does any of this unhinged attacking have to do with the subject at all? None of this makes any sense. How in any world is that person’s behavior have any connection to anything I’ve done? Why is any of this acceptable from anyone, let alone a fucking admin? How could you or anyone even remotely support this insanity?

    They probably refer to this post, where you screenshotted one of their comments with a link to it

    https://lemmy.world/post/29116020

    Also, have you reported that comment to the !support@lemmy.world mods? If no, you should, if you have but they haven't acted upon it, than it's between you and the LW mods.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Also, have you reported that comment to the !support@lemmy.world mods? If no, you should, if you have but they haven’t acted upon it, than it’s between you and the LW mods.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Can you tell me where I mentioned Flatworm/Unruffled in this thread? https://lemmy.world/post/32430859

    You mentioned that thread in an earlier comment.

    The recommended way to deal with this kind of situations is to get the comment removed by the mod of the community.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    It’s a forum, people are going to reply when you mention them

    I was responding to this comment you made and outlining that your point was completely off the mark, since I did not mention them.

    Did you really not get that? Either you whooshed yourself really hard or you're just also antagonizing me while pretending to be serious. I suspect it's the latter.

    Honestly, at this point, you just need to leave me alone, too. No decent or reasonable person would support those dbzer0 anus warts, so you're most likely just trying to antagonize.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I was talking about

    https://lemmy.world/post/33338615/18389370

    If we are talking about https://lemmy.world/post/32430859/18040819 , you reported a dbzer0 user, so it's expected that the reported user's admin would jump in.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    That gives them justification to start shit about something completely off topic? Even if they had any good point, that is not the time or place.

    You and dbzer0 staff had a disagreement about AI in the past: https://lemmy.world/post/29116020/16853508

    You report a user doing vote manipulation.

    The reported user links to a comment you made in the Fuck_AI community:

    Seems on topic to bring that issue up.

    Again, if you think it violates the rules of the LW support community, you should report it to the mods so that they take action.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    At this point it's a you vs them question, and interpretation of what happened.

    Unless you get another external perspective on it (e.g. LW mods), it's probably going to stay like this.

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