Godric comments on Revolution.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

but if a nation's legacy is exclusively the sum of blood spilled, I ask you to show me one that is not utterly drenched in evil.

You forgot to answer that, again!

I think that "The war was fought for tax reasons" is a wildly reductive, surface level stoner psuedointellectual interpretation of the American Revolution. It's like claiming Jan 6 was just tourists going for a walk, or WW2 was just some disagreements about borders; it was much, much bigger than that, you can't just reduce something so complex into a snappy one-liner.

I'm not confusing soil and seed, you're confusing inspiration with creation. Once again, should we discount Isaac Newton's contributions to mathematics because someone would have done it eventually, or because someone did math before him? Should Americans take direct credit for the French Revolution? We violently opposed kings first, after all.

You really should learn more about the American Revolution, gice the doc a watch! Fascists want people hopeless and ignorant that this country was founded upon some of the most wonderful ideals humanity ever had, ideals worth fighting for and aspiring to.

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I find Langston Hughes' America a great poem about this exact issue, and that's the right context for the discussion.

As for the the true causes of war, I think it's you who have simplified things with your teary-eyed flag waving. Sure, things are complex, but mythology and propaganda should not be swallowed whole.

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

He is an excellent poet, and "And yet I swear this oath— America will be!" is exactly that realization of the ideals this country was founded on.

It's not "teary eyed flag-waving" to celebrate the death of authoritarianism, the birth of modern democracy, and the deeply idealistic legacy of the American Revolution, ideals all people of the world, not just Americans, should fight for.

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago

I guess it's a bit like religion for me. If you start talking about loving one another, you're good. But as soon as you bring Jesus and God into it, things get all fucked up and people start serving their own conception of god instead of actually loving one another.

For this discussion, it's glorifying the United States ahead of the ideals on which it's founded that is the problem. It often leads to people justifying all kinds of imperial horrors exactly counter to those same ideals. I prefer to shit on the United States and the flag, and every form of patriotism, and the people who remain are the people worth talking to.

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