In an attempt to better understand Lemmy I’m wondering if some of you can shed a light on what the deal is between.ml and .world. The history, any significant event or a betrayal, how did we all run away from spez only to come here and throw mud at each other?

I’m sure it confuses a great deal of Reddit refugees who just signed up with the largest instance because of (in my case future proofing) reasons.

I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be and how I can be called a “Zionist” just because of my instance, and they are called “fascists” even though I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too.

Please, keep it civil!

I’m not trying to start a fight or mud slinging, it would be good if several people could say their piece and nobody shame or attack them for it no matter how much you disagree.

Thanks

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[–] 83 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

Instances tend to be flavored towards certain groups of people. There are a particular group of 3 instances, one being Lemmy.ml the others known as hexbear and lemmygrad that cater to people who essentially think that all western society is corrupt and that NK, China, Russia, etc are the saviors of the world.

lemmy.ml happens to be the flagship instance of the software creators which causes a lot of friction in terms of if they should be cut off or not.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    The only reason I’m on .ml is because one of the communities I wanted to subscribe to was blocked on .world

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    Out of curiosity, why not make an account on one of the anarchist flotilla instances?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    .ml was another instance I was already aware of at the time, back then I didn’t know people formed opinions based on which instance you’re with either

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    It’s more about recognizing what kind of biases the user will likely be approaching a given topic with. .ml users obviously tend to skew towards viewing world events through a very specific lens, which then goes on to color how they interact with the rest of the fediverse.

    The funny part is that when you’re a .ml user on .ml, it looks like smooth sailing and calm waters. Discussion is civil and friendly, and dissent all lands within a very specific Overton window. But once you start digging deeper, you realize it’s because the entire instance is extremely heavily moderated. It looks like everyone agrees because dissent outside of that tiny bandwidth quickly gets silenced. So as long as .ml users stay on their instance, things tend to be pretty chill.

    This ironically leads to friction when those .ml users end up on external instances, because the .ml admins can’t moderate those as heavily. Plus those external users have likely seen and/or experienced the heavy-handed moderation firsthand. So they immediately assume .ml users are complicit and intentionally staying in their bubble, instead of simply being unaware.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'd say that these days that group contains four instances and dbzer0 is a member.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    We make an attempt at seeing things from invaded states' views.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Who is "we"? Because Lemmygrad literally cheered when Russia invaded Ukraine. Doesn't seem like viewing things from the perspective of the invaded state.

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    Probably because of the reasons we've explained ad nauseum.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm sure the Israel defenders have also explained their reasons ad nauseam so according to you they should be cheering Israels genocide?

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