▲ 362 ▼ Mainstream News Anchors Now Talking About the AI Bubble Bursting at Any Moment: "I think the entire AI boom is investing in the wrong future." (futurism.com) submitted 4 weeks ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 131 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 56 points 4 weeks ago (14 children) Google, Amazon and Microsoft will be fine. Oracle, though. It's possible they'll actually die. And wouldn't that be tragic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] scytale@piefed.zip 32 points 4 weeks ago* (4 children) I think NVIDIA has a higher chance of survival because they’re the ones actually producing something tangible (GPUs) that is still needed even if openweight models prevail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago they're doing far more than just that, the way jensen has been able to structure all almost all of these deals essentially offloading all the risk. they sell essentially lease the hardware, ontop of huge chunk of premium up front, ontop of paying for compute itself, ontop of offloading any actual buildout cost onto any greedy schmuck willimg to pay the tab. nvda will be completely fine (though stock price will obviously correct as bubble-levels income drops) permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago shovels, gold, etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago At the same time, they are doing extreme price gouging with little improvement between generations since h200. Huawei actually has better $/performance ratio and accelerating faster. Others have better inference solution, with AMD doing better on $/training performance too. The fact that Nvidia is the one propping up the AI bubble, sinking their cashflow into dead ends, makes it a bad stock too. Peak NVidia BS got exposed in an Australian IPO this week. It was too absurd to get anyone to buy and got cancelled. Heavily backed by NVidia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago Yeah, they'll be fine assuming there isn't an Enron level legal motion. They are sort of not on the hook for anything financially. I'm not sure how legal it all is though. I'm pretty sure it isn't, but even if it isn't it's still a question if they'll be held accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 4 weeks ago* they wont be fine, they will suffer heavy lossess but will survive, likely just by laying off hordes tech people, and even downsizing thier warehouses. i think nvidia will get off mostly less harmed though, since they sold thier products years ahead. hopefully it takes down skydance with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I would comment about Oracle, but I don't want legal bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 4 weeks ago Fuck 'em with a rusty rake permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nighed@feddit.uk 6 points 4 weeks ago And whoever scavenges their corpse will milk their customers prisoners even harder! permalink fedilink source parent [–] logi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago Oracle, though. It's possible they'll actually die. And wouldn't that be tragic. Oh the humanity permalink fedilink source parent [–] demonsword@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (3 children) I doubt it. Government would step in and bail them out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago yep, with our money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) This isn’t going to happen. They’re not the banks, and they’re pretty universally hated in the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago When the AI bubble pops it’s going to take down the banks. There is a lot of private credit dollars loaned to data centers and the banks are heavily invested in private credit. It’s a house of cards priced for perfection just waiting for one of the big 5 to have a slightly off quarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scytale@piefed.zip 32 points 4 weeks ago* (4 children) I think NVIDIA has a higher chance of survival because they’re the ones actually producing something tangible (GPUs) that is still needed even if openweight models prevail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago they're doing far more than just that, the way jensen has been able to structure all almost all of these deals essentially offloading all the risk. they sell essentially lease the hardware, ontop of huge chunk of premium up front, ontop of paying for compute itself, ontop of offloading any actual buildout cost onto any greedy schmuck willimg to pay the tab. nvda will be completely fine (though stock price will obviously correct as bubble-levels income drops) permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago shovels, gold, etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago At the same time, they are doing extreme price gouging with little improvement between generations since h200. Huawei actually has better $/performance ratio and accelerating faster. Others have better inference solution, with AMD doing better on $/training performance too. The fact that Nvidia is the one propping up the AI bubble, sinking their cashflow into dead ends, makes it a bad stock too. Peak NVidia BS got exposed in an Australian IPO this week. It was too absurd to get anyone to buy and got cancelled. Heavily backed by NVidia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago Yeah, they'll be fine assuming there isn't an Enron level legal motion. They are sort of not on the hook for anything financially. I'm not sure how legal it all is though. I'm pretty sure it isn't, but even if it isn't it's still a question if they'll be held accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago they're doing far more than just that, the way jensen has been able to structure all almost all of these deals essentially offloading all the risk. they sell essentially lease the hardware, ontop of huge chunk of premium up front, ontop of paying for compute itself, ontop of offloading any actual buildout cost onto any greedy schmuck willimg to pay the tab. nvda will be completely fine (though stock price will obviously correct as bubble-levels income drops) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago At the same time, they are doing extreme price gouging with little improvement between generations since h200. Huawei actually has better $/performance ratio and accelerating faster. Others have better inference solution, with AMD doing better on $/training performance too. The fact that Nvidia is the one propping up the AI bubble, sinking their cashflow into dead ends, makes it a bad stock too. Peak NVidia BS got exposed in an Australian IPO this week. It was too absurd to get anyone to buy and got cancelled. Heavily backed by NVidia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago Yeah, they'll be fine assuming there isn't an Enron level legal motion. They are sort of not on the hook for anything financially. I'm not sure how legal it all is though. I'm pretty sure it isn't, but even if it isn't it's still a question if they'll be held accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 4 weeks ago* they wont be fine, they will suffer heavy lossess but will survive, likely just by laying off hordes tech people, and even downsizing thier warehouses. i think nvidia will get off mostly less harmed though, since they sold thier products years ahead. hopefully it takes down skydance with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I would comment about Oracle, but I don't want legal bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 4 weeks ago Fuck 'em with a rusty rake permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 4 weeks ago Fuck 'em with a rusty rake permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 6 points 4 weeks ago And whoever scavenges their corpse will milk their customers prisoners even harder! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago Oracle, though. It's possible they'll actually die. And wouldn't that be tragic. Oh the humanity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (3 children) I doubt it. Government would step in and bail them out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago yep, with our money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) This isn’t going to happen. They’re not the banks, and they’re pretty universally hated in the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago When the AI bubble pops it’s going to take down the banks. There is a lot of private credit dollars loaned to data centers and the banks are heavily invested in private credit. It’s a house of cards priced for perfection just waiting for one of the big 5 to have a slightly off quarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) This isn’t going to happen. They’re not the banks, and they’re pretty universally hated in the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago When the AI bubble pops it’s going to take down the banks. There is a lot of private credit dollars loaned to data centers and the banks are heavily invested in private credit. It’s a house of cards priced for perfection just waiting for one of the big 5 to have a slightly off quarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago When the AI bubble pops it’s going to take down the banks. There is a lot of private credit dollars loaned to data centers and the banks are heavily invested in private credit. It’s a house of cards priced for perfection just waiting for one of the big 5 to have a slightly off quarter. permalink fedilink source parent