▲ 113 ▼ High Diesel Prices Bankrupted 16 Trucking Companies in Just 30 Days (www.thedrive.com) submitted 1 month ago by rssbot@lemmy.bestiver.se [B] to c/hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se 24 comments fedilink hide all child comments Comments
[–] Saljid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (19 children) Sweet. Trains are the way to go permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Bancrupt companies will be bought by larger ones, over time consolidating power and monopolizing the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 9 points 1 month ago Yea, this isn’t the win it sounds like. In times of crisis, the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children) So you expect every business in the country to have train tracks pull right up to it? Plenty of freight already moves by trains, planes, boats, etc. but that doesn’t move it the final mile(s) that it needs to go to make it to a business… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 month ago (7 children) Final mile is probably a lot cheaper to buy fuel for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 month ago (6 children) Wait till you hear of the bakfiets Coolblue is a computer shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (5 children) I'll just hop on my scooter and transport, checks freight manifest, 20 tons of product. that won't be so bad over my, checks delivery address, 60 mile route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] myyass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago This is true, but everyone got comfortable with a semi driving from one side of the country to the other. I can tell you it's no longer viable. Brace yourself for the impact I guess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago So you expect every business in the country to have train tracks pull right up to it? That's actually a pretty good idea to aim for eventually, yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Cross country? yes. Last mile? No, traintracks to every single company in need of transportation doesn’t make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kiterios@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You put the distribution centers near train stops (yes sometimes with direct rail connections) and then your trucking needs are limited to local distribution. Last mile mechanisms can vary based on product, commercial density, and infrastructure, but often are well served with a greater number of smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 1 point 1 month ago That’s more or less what they do today, because it makes a lot more sense to have central distribution centers. But that still doesn’t change the fact that you need a truck/van/car/bicycle for last mile transportation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago Give your big brain a rest. 🤤 permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* You know the US is doing great when "return to rail barons" is just actually a more sustainable paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Bancrupt companies will be bought by larger ones, over time consolidating power and monopolizing the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 9 points 1 month ago Yea, this isn’t the win it sounds like. In times of crisis, the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 9 points 1 month ago Yea, this isn’t the win it sounds like. In times of crisis, the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children) So you expect every business in the country to have train tracks pull right up to it? Plenty of freight already moves by trains, planes, boats, etc. but that doesn’t move it the final mile(s) that it needs to go to make it to a business… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 month ago (7 children) Final mile is probably a lot cheaper to buy fuel for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 month ago (6 children) Wait till you hear of the bakfiets Coolblue is a computer shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (5 children) I'll just hop on my scooter and transport, checks freight manifest, 20 tons of product. that won't be so bad over my, checks delivery address, 60 mile route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] myyass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago This is true, but everyone got comfortable with a semi driving from one side of the country to the other. I can tell you it's no longer viable. Brace yourself for the impact I guess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago So you expect every business in the country to have train tracks pull right up to it? That's actually a pretty good idea to aim for eventually, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 month ago (7 children) Final mile is probably a lot cheaper to buy fuel for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 month ago (6 children) Wait till you hear of the bakfiets Coolblue is a computer shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (5 children) I'll just hop on my scooter and transport, checks freight manifest, 20 tons of product. that won't be so bad over my, checks delivery address, 60 mile route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 month ago (6 children) Wait till you hear of the bakfiets Coolblue is a computer shop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (5 children) I'll just hop on my scooter and transport, checks freight manifest, 20 tons of product. that won't be so bad over my, checks delivery address, 60 mile route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (5 children) I'll just hop on my scooter and transport, checks freight manifest, 20 tons of product. that won't be so bad over my, checks delivery address, 60 mile route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) They use standard electric vans where the route is too far. But in high density areas a van stops making sense. My comment was on a comment about last mile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) last mile can be up to 100 miles away from the distribution center. along rural routes that may not see a public building like a gas station the entire trip. the thing I think Europeans cannot comprehend is the volume of space the US has. I used to drive two hours, one-way, for my job because that's just where I worked. there was no public transit because my town had a population of under 1000 people. it took 30 minutes to go to the grocery store. these are normal things in the US. what works in Europe won't always work in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Thats fair as a European I indeed have no idea how to even think of distribution in that scale. But surely the overwhelming majority of last mile transportation occurs in the large cities: where trains can be a replacement for city to city transport. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 1 point 1 month ago* Can someone stop downvoting GreenKnight there’s no need for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago Most people live in cities. Even in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myyass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago This is true, but everyone got comfortable with a semi driving from one side of the country to the other. I can tell you it's no longer viable. Brace yourself for the impact I guess? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago So you expect every business in the country to have train tracks pull right up to it? That's actually a pretty good idea to aim for eventually, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Cross country? yes. Last mile? No, traintracks to every single company in need of transportation doesn’t make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kiterios@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You put the distribution centers near train stops (yes sometimes with direct rail connections) and then your trucking needs are limited to local distribution. Last mile mechanisms can vary based on product, commercial density, and infrastructure, but often are well served with a greater number of smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 1 point 1 month ago That’s more or less what they do today, because it makes a lot more sense to have central distribution centers. But that still doesn’t change the fact that you need a truck/van/car/bicycle for last mile transportation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago Give your big brain a rest. 🤤 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kiterios@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You put the distribution centers near train stops (yes sometimes with direct rail connections) and then your trucking needs are limited to local distribution. Last mile mechanisms can vary based on product, commercial density, and infrastructure, but often are well served with a greater number of smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 1 point 1 month ago That’s more or less what they do today, because it makes a lot more sense to have central distribution centers. But that still doesn’t change the fact that you need a truck/van/car/bicycle for last mile transportation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 1 point 1 month ago That’s more or less what they do today, because it makes a lot more sense to have central distribution centers. But that still doesn’t change the fact that you need a truck/van/car/bicycle for last mile transportation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago Give your big brain a rest. 🤤 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* You know the US is doing great when "return to rail barons" is just actually a more sustainable paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent