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[–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (29 children)

Just checking in: has 'vote blue no matter who' been working well for you folks the last few elections? Last time I seem to remember dropping trans messaging since it was a perceived liability and trotting out Liz Cheney.

Fuck your genocide party and fuck the GOP. Our differences are not reconcilable. I'm not interested in a party run by liberal capitalists.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They say this with a straight face. You just need to ask who was in charge when roe v wade was overturned and what was the response to try to save important hard fought rights.

    But no, it's the people trying to hold power accountable that is the problem.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Come on that's not even a hard one. Congress was split, not enough votes to break fillabuster, meaning Dems didn't have enough votes to codify Roe after the conservative Supreme Court, thanks to Trump 1, repealed it.

    To fix the Supreme Court would take a supermajority which is unlikely. Codifying Roe will take much less. They should have done it during the Obama years when they held a fillabuster proof majority.

    If you want to undo the system you should at least have a basic understanding of how it works

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Dems had a supermajority trifecta in 2021 as well.

    The biggest thing the Dems did during the Obama years was pass the "heritage foundation healthcare plan".

    If you want to defend a system you should at least have a basic understanding of what it does.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Objectively false lmao, now we're just lying?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/117th_United_States_Congress

    They couldn't even break fillabuster let alone a supermajority. I'll give the benefit of the doubt in case you're unaware, but a supermajority does not mean holding just a majority. It is holding 2/3rds of the seats. Allowing for amendments to the constitution to be passed or to override a presidential veto.

    A fillabuster proof majority is holding 60 senate seats.

    A simple majority is not enough to even call a vote if the other side blocks

    Please at least Google before confidently trying to call others ignorant

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Voting is basic harm reduction, people advocating against voting are doing the GOP's work for them and should be mocked.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Voting has nothing to do with harm reduction you twit. Harm reduction is mutual aid and community organizing in direct action that actually fucking stops the harm from happening.

    Throwing your vote into a hat and hoping for the best doesn't do shit to actually prevent or stop harm from happening. It just lets people pretend they actually got off their ass and did something.

    https://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/?amp=1

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not voting led to Trump, who is objectively more harmful. Elections have consequences, vote, you muppet.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I did read the article. "Everything's fucked, bury me!" would have been more succinct, and offers just as many solutions. Voting, unlike a magical revolution, actually exists, and actively refusing to exercise political power to create change makes you a moron.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Wow you are incredibly dim if that is what you interpreted. No wonder you are the way you are with media literacy that abysmal. Again, I'm doubting that you even actually read the article.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (16 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Same billionaire owners, same entrenching of corruption, same imperialist agenda, same pro-genocide policies, same presidential names in the Epstein files. Both parties strengthen capitalist exploitation and maintain white supremacist, imperialist patriarchy.

    At the core of it, the Democratic party is a tool for the Epstein class and a highly effective mask. Having a token liberal social policy lends legitimacy to a corrupt system, deflates pressure to change, and maintains billionaire control, while serving nothing of value to working people and leaving capitalism unchallenged.

    Seriously: fuck your party. Why should working people get in line and vote for you? They continue to not show up because they are disenfranchised as a foregone conclusion before they walk into the voting booth.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Yeah sure no difference between the two. Mamdami = Trump same guy really.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

    God you people are fucking stupid and love your straw man arguments. No one is saying Mamdami is like Trump. But Schumer, Pelosi, and damn near the majority of Democratic congressionals have taken AIPAC $.

    And you’re gonna try and sit here and say that 80% evil is better than 100% evil? They’re both evil and fuck the Democrats for forcing the lesser evil on us when there is a way to work towards putting no evil into postitions of power.

    Get fucked.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Yeah well, what are you gonna do? I'm sick of people playing right into the right's playbook by constantly beating the dead horse that Dems Are Bad, like everyone doesn't know it! You're not dropping truth bombs you're pointing at the blue sky and acting like it's a new color.

    Yeah, fuck the Democrats for being spineless assholes who are, like you said, barely better than Republicans, but the solution is to Not Vote? That's somehow revolutionary? The 30 something percent of people who didn't vote last election weren't just letting Trump win but were, in fact, based and communist?

    People complain about moderates thinking both sides are equally good but then act like they are politically enlightened when they say both sides are bad.

    They tell you you're in favor of genocide when your choices are the Shoot People party and the Shoot WAY More People Party, like you've got an option.

    Oh, there's gonna be a revolution? We're going to take up arms and tear down the system? Well we certainly can't vote while that's getting ready Any Day Now, and I'm sure that'll happen before November.

    So no, I'm not some head in the sand die hard Democrat. I don't think they exist, much less on Lemmy. I'm not suddenly surprised that both sides are corrupt. But I'm not so blind that I'm going to just let Republicans roll into office without some sort of fight and the wet noodle that's the Democrats is what we've got.

    You want better? Vote in the primaries, focus on local shit people ignore, and if you want to actually put your money where your mouth is, YOU run for office and actually take some power into your own hands.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    Brother no one is saying to not vote. Why do you people always say that same bullshit line when it was never stated at all? We are still voting, but we’re also constantly trying to sound the alarm on the bullshit system we have all year long, not just around voting time. Liberals only seem to get in tune with politics around midterms, primaries and the presidential election. Leftists are out here constantly in tune with politics and are trying to organize year round, not just around voting schedules.

    If you can’t make an argument without putting words in other people’s mouths and making shit up, quit commenting like you’re some enlightened individual.

    We’re not telling people not to vote, we’re telling you to get politically active throughout the entire year, every year. Because this same bullshit will keep happening until the end of time if all you do is vote when you’re told to. Quit punching at leftists for calling out the systems we’re living under as unjust and start organizing with us to build a better system.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    There's deadass people in these comments saying not to vote. I've seen them on other posts, too. Are you willingly ignoring them or just giving them a pass because they are mad at the people you're mad at?

    Oh hey funny you mention organizing, that's what I've been doing locally. I'm working with a group trying to improve things between Hispanic and non Hispanic people and actively doing stuff to help the community with ICE everywhere. I'd love to hear what you've been up to!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Please give an example of someone explicitly saying “Do not vote” in this thread. I’ll wait.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Further, when people treat voting as their primary means of political engagement, they do check out!

    He's trying to now say that it's something different but it was pretty obvious in context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Since the very beginning of our conversation, I have maintained that the problem is not the act of voting, but instead treating it as the primary means of gaining political change. You have consistently misunderstood my point, deliberately or not.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Lmao yeah you have no reading comprehension if that reads as someone saying “do not vote”.

    He’s literally stating what I said above, liberals are only politically active when they’re told to vote. They do not organize and don’t care to assist in organizing throughout the year. They check out and ignore everything until it’s once again time to vote blue no matter who!

    Jesus fuck you people are dense.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ok, so who are you gonna vote for?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don’t have to tell you a fucking thing about who I’m voting for or how I voted, because at this point you’re just fishing for a “gotcha!” moment and aren’t approaching this in good faith. You’re intellectually stunted and can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

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