Can I get a smug lecture on how you're choosing the third, disconnected track?

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[–] 128 points 1 month ago (47 children)

I did my duty, i held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils.

But there's no sensible reason to blame genocide opposing progressives instead of the genocide supporting DNC who stubbornly refused to advance policies their own base wanted.

The DNC decided to risk democracy in order to save a genocide - possibly the single most irresponsible decision in the 21st century. Blame them, they deserve it.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago (41 children)

    Multiple groups can be blamed. The DNC deserves more blame than anyone who refused to vote, but all the people saying "if you vote for Kamala, you love genocide" deserve some blame too, because anyone with a brain knew that a lot more people were going to get hurt under Trump.

    Wonder who they'll run in 2028. If there's an election in 2028.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (22 children)

    I wake up every day not supporting a genocide. I wonder what's so hard about it for the DNC. Boy do they love killing.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    It's the Zionists and their money. Conspiracy theorists were right all along unfortunately, with Israel doing everything possible to validate them.

    But in an election once the candidates are locked between

    "We'll give money to the Israelis and they'll kill Palestinians"

    and

    "We'll give money to the Israelis and they'll kill Palestinians, but also we want to get rid of Latinos and LGBTQ people, also poor people should lose the little healthcare they do have and hey there's probably more bullshit we're gonna pull, but some of it's so stupid we haven't even thought of it yet"

    I can't see how anyone with a brain would not vote against #2.

    Donald Trump won completely legitimately and in addition to the 77.3 million Trump voters, there are about 90 million other eligible voters to blame for the kidnapping of Maduro, the war in Iran, the stupid ass tariffs, and so many other things. That's what they all were willing to accept.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    I can't see how anyone with a brain would not vote against #2.

    Because you've been around long enough to have been in this situation before. Voting #1 is at best a stop-gap measure. Option #1 doesn't do anything to fix the underlying problem, and in fact, the next time around, #2 is way worse. (As is #1.) And this pattern keeps repeating. It doesn't matter which you choose, you'll end up with #2, just a bit later. (We've reached the stage at which genocide support is the lesser evil, fer chrissakes.)

    As an analogy, the situation we have with the two parties is like a choice faced by person with Type 2 diabetes: Fall into a hypoglycemic coma right now and maybe die, or consume sugar by the spoonful. The second option is the correct choice, obviously. But next time around, it's the same choice, and again after that. This person can choose the lesser evil every time, but it still leads to death.

    So, painful and unlikely at it may be, some voters are thinking beyond the immediate moment and want to at least try to avoid the death of democracy.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    So, no matter what, we are just inevitably fucked regardless of what we do, so let’s just hammer on the gas harder to let fascism win and destroy everything and get it over with? Do you not see how that is just authoritarian absolutism?

    What kind of rollover defeatist cuck shit is this? Your stance is theologically conservative accelerationism, point blank.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    That's a bad faith interpretation.

    Parties are coalitions that change over time. The neoliberal wing of the Democratic party has been ascendant since the Clinton years. But they are declining now. And the sole reason is that their brand is proving incapable of actually winning elections. If a party keeps winning, the people running the party maintain credibility and business as usual just keeps trucking along. Parties can only undergo fundamental change after losing a few cycles. It took the 3 losses of the Reagan and Bush Sr. years before something like Clinton's triangulation strategy had any hope of winning support among the Democratic party.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I’m still struggling to not read that as accelerationism. How is that not accelerationism?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    An accelerationist wants capital accumulated in the hands of capitalists as quickly as possible, so as to ensure the contradictions of capitalism to occur as quickly as possible. Therefore an accelerationist would vote for whichever they considered to be the most competent capitalist - in most eyes, that would be Kamala.
    Accelerationism is not just "when you want a thing to happen faster".

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Wow, you guys will blame anybody but the people actually in power. What the fuck?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Weird non-sequitor. Youre talking about accelerationism, I explain what it is and what an accelerationist would probably do. I'm sorry your lacking understanding of marxist sub-cultures lead to you... asking about it and being told what it is?

    Anyway, speaking of blame...Seems like that's you? You blame voters for not voting for democrat, rather than blame the party for running an unviable candidate.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's literally telling the Democrats to run, not walk, in the OTHER DIRECTION. If you don't communicate that, then, they accelerate in the wrong direction. Essentially voting for them no matter what their policy is the accelerationism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Because the goal is not to make the situation worse with the hope of later making the situation better. The goal is to hold people accountable for supporting genocide. The point is that we shouldn't be afraid of a short-term loss, because that can lead to superior long-term improvement. We shouldn't let the fear of a short-term loss prevent us from making the morally right decision today.

    Accelerationism would be deliberately seeking to collapse the current Democratic party. For example, by convincing a bunch of Democrats to stay home, not out of any real response to their actions, but simply because Democrats losing could shake up the political structure.

    The key difference is that one is simply not allowing the fear of being labeled "accelerationist" to prevent us from the right decision, while the latter is actually accelerationism.

    Accelerationism is meant to have a very specific meaning. Unfortunately, it gets used as a cudgel to argue that every short-term win must be obtained at any cost, even at the cost of superior long-term success.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Doing the exact same thing accelerationists advocate for sure seems like accelerationism to me. Saying you’re doing it for different reasons just feels like delusional self-righteous accelerationism.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    at this point i’d take stop-gap

    this all gas no brakes into collapse is so much worse than milquetoast corpo democrat

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Indeed, but there's never a good time for collapse. It wouldn't be any more enjoyable in 2030, if it were happening then instead.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You’re literally just vomiting accelerationist rhetoric.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Let's pump more CO2 to the air so the next ice age comes faster as a response overheating so we suffer the calamity instead of our grandchildren!!

    You are here playing 4D chess when they are playing 5+1D (I'm not there at all, just watching and getting side fucked by the crumbling world morality)

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago

    You still supported the extermination of a whole population that are currently getting exterminated. Despite the oppression of the groups you are mentioning none are facing eminent extermination with mass murder and starvation and the destruction of the majority . No wonder the rest of the non western world hate you american scums

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    The elections are not a one time event. Yes, more people may suffer for 4 years, but if it builds momentum for an actually good 3rd party or at least reforming the DNC, it could have been worth it. But stupidly painting anyone who wants something better then just a Democrat win as an enemy that supports Trump ensures it can't happen. It's not that there are no rails to the third track. It's that people like the author of the meme actively rips them out with the "voting 3rd party is a waste of vote" bullshit. If you ask me, voting for more politically correct genocide is a waste of vote. If you are choosing for the lesser of two genocides, you are alredy fucked either way.

    No excuse for people who don't vote at all tho.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    if it builds momentum for an actually good 3rd party or at least reforming the DNC, it could have been worth it.

    Tell that to all the families of kids that died because of the DOGE cuts.

    We're going to hear people saying "it was a good strategy though - shame it didn't work out" while they're on voter lines being patrolled by armed guard, just like in Russia. Even if elections are for show, "both sides" people will not admit they were wrong.

    Voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote until that 3rd party has representatives in lower forms of government. The only bipartisan support we'll see during a 3rd party term is when both parties work together to undermine the 3rd party President. It's magical thinking to believe a 3rd party President will get anything accomplished without lower representation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Take your strawman argument somewhere else. I never said or implied I was talking only about the presidential elections. You can vote for 3rd party president, sentaor, and congressman in the same election. Also for state and local 3rd party candidates.

    And of course the DOGE fearmongering. Oh no, we can't vote for change because of DOGE cuts! Sure, countless poeple are dying because of lack of healthcare, pollution, homlessness, ... But we can't try to do anything about that, because we will die of DOGE cuts! /s

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Be upset that I'm reminding you of the failures brought on by protest and 3rd party voters. The vast majority do nothing between elections except post online about it.

    DOGE and Iran wouldn't have happened if Kamala was elected. Think of that every time you're at the pump looking at those higher prices, if you're old enough to drive.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Be upset that I’m reminding you of the failures brought on by protest and 3rd party voters.

    The democrats lost because they ran a dogshit candidate and refused to change course from any of their many unpopular fantasies, yet you freaks insist they're absolved of all guilt. The party cannot fail, it can only be failed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    People have been electing democrats on and off for over a century. Yet it changed nothing. But sure, 3rd party voting is the thing that can't succeed. Doing the same thing again and again hoping for a different outcome is clearly the smarter thing to do.

    But sure, if we just accept genocide and vote for it, at least the gas will be cheaper. Sure. Why not.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People have been electing democrats on and off for over a century. Yet it changed nothing.

    Wrong, and there's literally decades of legislation that you can review to see for yourself.

    Go vote for 3rd party local government officials. If you want a 3rd party to be viable, this is the way.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Wrong, and there’s literally decades of legislation that you can review to see for yourself.

    Yeah, decades of things like:

    • Foreign interventions
    • More fracking
    • No universal healthcare.
    • No codified Roe v Wade.
    • increased police budgets
    • Increased military spending
    • Crackdowns on peaceful protesters
    • Legislation making it illegal to be homeless
    • Just straight up genocide

    But hey, at least they'll sign the Paris Agreement (they wont do anything to actually achieve the goals set out by it though), so you can feel good about yourself as the president drone-strikes another wedding

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Anyone with a brain knew the Dems were gonna lose supporting genocide. Even Trump met with the Palestinian imams the Harris campaign snubbed. Even Trump said there had to be a ceasefire. Sure, he was lying, but Biden & Harris wouldn’t even do that?

    It would have been a lot cooler if she hadn’t thrown the election in a highly predictable manner.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    So, you’re mad the dems had a level of transparency on their politics and didn’t lie straight to iur faces saying they wouldn’t do something they were obviously going to do?

    That’s fucking stupid, you see that, right? If you’re going to dight that fight, at least do it better, is all I’m asking, because you’re being a dumbass about it. You’re hitting yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No, you're missing the fucking point. You JUST SAID that the Dems couldn't take those positions because they would lose BUT THE REPUBS TOOK THOSE POSITIONS AND FUCKING WON SO YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Getting emotional is usually a good seen you feel confident in what you’re saying. I believe you. You’re so right.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Under the Biden/Harris leadership, Israel bombed every single school and hospital in Gaza and put in action the most brutal phase of the genocide, while whitewashing it all at the same time with their help. Tell us about it dipshit, how would less people get hurt under Harris? I would love to hear it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'd say it's the party in power is actually doing it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Well then you don't understand how American politics works. It's the entirety of the US government. It's laws put in place by Democrats that Trump is using. And it's not like the Ds aren't crossing the aisle every other week to vote with Rs on some heinous shit. And it's not like the Ds ever pulled back on military expansion, or expansion of ICE and DHS, or domestic surveillance.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Add some realpolitik:

    The GOP largely controls the messaging, due to owning the majority of media, as well as being more likely to have degrees in communications and sales, while Democratic candidates tend to have degrees in hard sciences.

    The very moment the DNC did anything to hinder the genocide, every news stations would have a picture of local and national Democratic candidates with photoshopped Hitler mustaches.

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