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Funny or just sad? (sh.itjust.works)
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This comic is kinda old already, but still stays relevant.

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[–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

If it's "Putin's narrative" that wars start for more complex reasons than "some nations are just evil and bad" then I fear he just has a better understanding of how the world works than someone who accepts that premise. Some nations being simply evil and bad is the type of thinking that fascists actively encourage. Do not fall for it. At least attempt to develop an understanding of the real material reasons for international military conflict.

I probably hate the Russian ruling class more than you and for better reasons but that's no reason to simplify geopolitics to such a degree.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We can discuss why Russia decided to invade Ukraine, but it doesn't change the fact that they did. They started the war with Ukraine, twice. I'm not sure if it is your intention but your comments do come off as though you're equating Russia's actions with the actions of the EU, in terms of explaining why hundreds of thousands of people are dead, which surely is not good. Assigning blame is absolutely a reasonable thing to do when people are violently killed, and in this instance that blame lies with Putin and Russia.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    Certainly much of the immediate death is at the hands of the Russian ruling class but to claim this happened in isolation of broader geopolitical forces because Russia just does that is infantile and chauvinistic. This is my issue with the meme. Atlanticist nations are active participants in this war and it is not even their workers dying for it. It is Ukrainian workers dying for Atlanticist goals. Imperialist war is a disgusting awful thing where workers are forced to die for the interests of their oppressors but at least the Russians are dying for Russia. Even if Ukraine miraculously "wins" this war there will not be a free Ukraine. Their rulers owe the west too much. This is a war over ownership of Ukrainian resources and labor power, nothing more.

    To claim that Russia is an instinctual aggressor and Atlanticist powers are a benevolent allies of Ukraine is nakedly propagandistic.

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