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[–] 57 points 2 months ago (47 children)

Anyone who thinks he is defending himself is a fucking moron proof is in the pudding

She tries to stop him grabbing his drink, must've known something was coming. He kicks he when she's down.

What else do you idiots need? Humans are worthless

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago (40 children)

    we need context. blend the gender stuff out.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (39 children)

    • Throws drink in face, shoves, kicks, shoves.

    • Reaches for bottle before drink thrown in face, reaches for bottle a second time but does nothing with it.

    Those are the actions both parties took. You're out of your mind to think context is even needed. At no moment was she stopping him from leaving he initiated and continued. Are you brain dead?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (31 children)

    Of course you can't judge without context: we can't understand. We don't know their relationship, their history, nor what they say to each other.

    Context may make thing even worse for the guy? Or maybe his reaction is, still not pardonable, but more understandable with the context?

    Getting the context doesn't mean your favorit side will loose anything. But judging without context is accepting to deliver unfair judgements.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    Or maybe his reaction is, still not pardonable, but more understandable with the context?

    There isn't acceptable context for how he kicked her while she was on the ground nor for hitting her at the end.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    According to her friend, it was their second date and she told him she didn't want to se him anymore. Someone else posted the article with her friend's version of the story, yesterday with two links. Here is the one without a paywall :

    https://www.themarysue.com/this-man-needs-to-go-louisville-local-warns-of-violent-man-who-allegedly-attacked-her-friend-after-she-rejected-him-on-the-second-date/

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    I fail to see how he supposedly attacked her first...

    This blog is not a news source.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Look how non aggressive he is. He definitely didn't stand up and b-line to kick her while she's down

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Listen man, if you want to deny her aggression that preceded all this that's fine, but don't act like you're standing up for women while doing so.

    You're denying basic agency to women, you misogynist.

    Never developed past the first-wave of feminism?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    She acknowledges herself as the initiator/ aggressor in her Facebook post here:

    In this post she

    • acknowledges that she initiated the attack.
    • acknowledges that the drink wasn't hers.
    • states why she initiated the attack (online harassment?)
    • claims she didn't make physical contact (video evidence challenges/ refutes this), but this is contradicted by her earlier statement.
    • and acknowledges that she picked up a deadly weapon.

    To those who think the woman was justified in their conduct here, you very much want her to get a good lawyer. Because her own words, along with the video, go very strongly against the narrative which people trying to set up here, that she was justified in her use of force along the escalation ladder.

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  • [+] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    And there is not a fair judgement without understanding of the context.

    I may illustrate with two different possible contexts, most likely none apply here, the point is to show you that your judgement may not be the exact same:

    A: They are from the same family and she comes-out to him as a lesbian, and that her actual partner she plans to marry has an other ethnical origine. The anger and violence of the guy is their based on homophobia and racism which adds to the physical aspect.

    B: He was a soldier in some military conflict and has traumas. Some flashbacks make him violent. He would need meds but can't afford them anymore due to life cost rising. In this scenario, the violence is not even related to his victime.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You don’t need to invent scenarios to justify his actions here. There is plenty of evidence on the video to know that he is in the wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you take the scenario A as a justification, we clearly don't have the same idea of justice.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why stop at two fake scenarios? If anything can happen why'd you plop those two out?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    the point was that context maters to judge, and reality behind a video may be different than what you imagine at first. Yet sometimes you may be right instinctively.

    It seems the context has since be found and she is breaking up with him ; I don't know from where it comes, but that could explain the video. And so it is just simple and pure mysoginy. Except if some has a better source to claim otherwise.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Not siding with him, it seems likely he was in the wrong. But regarding your comment. Hypothetically, let's say he is the recipient of constant abuse. Both verbal and physical, and this was him finally snapping and giving it back. Let's say he has been on the receiving end of his fair share of kicks whilst down. Let's say he previously never wanted to fight back because he isn't violent.

    I am not saying that is what happened. But i am saying you cant say "there isn't acceptable context" when it took me 5 seconds to think of some.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    He is still responsible for his actions. Previous abuse does not excuse assaulting this woman multiple times in this scenario.

    Why are you playing devil's advocate for this man?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry, i wasn't clear enough.

    As far as we can tell this man is at fault. He has assaulted this woman.

    I was only pointing out that your blanket statement that there is no context in which this is justified is incorrect. And frankly the attitude is dangerous. Is there any context where the woman can pick up a glass bottle to use as a weapon? Considering the level of harm a glass bottle would cause? Perhaps the justification is she is being attacked by a man that is apparently much stronger than she is? Does that justify it? Or does it only work one way?

    Again. I agree. Given all available evidence, it seems this man has unjustly assaulted this woman. But your attitude towards this is just basic.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Self defense.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    The order of events.

    Man picks up drink. = normal with no context

    Woman tries to take it = odd with no context

    Man splashes drink in her face = bit of an over reaction with no context

    Woman goes to attack man = dramatic escalation, but no context

    Man pushes woman away = self defence

    Man kicks woman whist she is down = awful. Terrible thing to do. Still no context.

    Man goes to leave = should have just left

    Woman grabs bottle and some words are exchanged = escalation/self defence depending on the context

    Man pushes women down again and leaves. = self defence followed by de escalation.

    I still think it is more likely the man is in the wrong. But given what actually happened you cant claim self defence when you started the fight.

    At least thats how it looks with no context.

    Would you feel the same if she had actually managed to hit him when she tried to attack him. Would him pushing her down seem more justified in your opinion? Or is there really no way you could view this any differently?

    AGAIN! i am on her side. I am just not on yours.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Why is it my favorite side? I don't know these people don't put anything on me.

    Context will only clear up one thing, why did she put her hand on the glass and if you could argue it was simple battery. Which would be unlikely because most judges find frivolous charges like that unnecessary without some kind of history of actions or whatever. Putting your hand on someone's glass in an isolated situation is not simple battery.

    On the flip side responding with violence because a hand was put on your glass is likely assault. Escalation, specific intent to harm and multiple violent interactions require zero context. We don't need to know anything for that.

    If he was afraid for his life his body language and the rest of his actions didn't support that. She never prevented him from leaving.

    If you think in any situation his reaction is understandable you're being completely stupid, there's no reason to put your hands on someone like this in this situation.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    So I am being completly stupid, I am fine with it.

    But while I do not understand what happend, I don't pretend I do.

    What is she telling him? I have no idea, and that could (or not) be part of the explaination.

    His reaction looks like anger. It may not be. But it looks like it. Yet what causes this anger? Is it understandable to be angry in such cases?

    Anger should not allow us to be violent, and he is wrong to beat her. One this I totally agree. But no, I can't judge the cases.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yes you absolutely can. He assaulted her. Anyone in this thread leaning away from that is defending this situation and looking for justification for his actions.

    It's assault. It's fucking gross.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Once more, the context, the full story, may not make things better for him.

    He may deserve a stricter punishment than you would be willing to give him without the context.

    Understanding is not defending him. It is defending the research of a fair judgement.

    I especially invite you to think about the fact he could be reacting judgementaly to that she says, without taking the time to understand fully. As you are reacting now. And that it would be very wrong of him.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My point is context isn't necessary to know he's so far beyond being in the wrong and the degree people wanna defend him in these comments over "cOnTExt" is a fucking laugh.

    Context isn't necessary in this situation it would only offer insight into what a piece of shit he is, not deciding if he is a piece of shit. So anyone asking for context before making their judgement is, for lack of better words and to make the point very clear, a fucking moron.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My point is context isn’t necessary to know he’s so far beyond being in the wrong and the degree people wanna defend him in these comments over “cOnTExt” is a fucking laugh.

    Say it louder for the back.

    I just stumbled on this thread and it's really disappointing. Sorry (but maybe not sorry?) someone accused you of being me simply for standing up for the woman in the video.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Thank you. I get tired of people being white knights and such. It might be the way it looks, it might not be. Without context anyone is just guessing.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The only action that needs context is touching the bottle. None of his actions could be justified no matter what.

    Context is she was breaking up with him. Add or remove that, the situation is outlandishly disgusting behavior and you're literally trying to justify it. Doing anything but calling it what it is, misogynistic and assault is justifying it.

    Notice the whole crowd defending his actions are also trying to claim it isn't misogynistic? Interesting.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    You're a misogynist, woman are capable of aggression.

    She invades his space, trying to grab his drink. That's primary aggression. She approaches him (!) with a bottle in hand, that's a threat with a dangerous weapon.

    Meanwhile he:

    Throws drink in face (unnecessary but not dangerous) Repeatedly tries to back up while she appraoches. Pushes her to regain personal space (most non-violent possible reaction)

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Instigates the aggression, continues aggression. Escalates the aggression. Defending himself. Sure.

    Absolute scumbag shut up

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Are you blind or just a misogynist who cant accept that women are human beings capable of aggression?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Are you fucking retarded like actually?

    She touches his drink, he throws it in her face. She stands up and reaches for him. He throws her down, THEN HE STANDS UP AND KICKS HER.

    She stands up again unsure what aggression will continue because this cunt has instigated violence and then escalated violence. He shoves her to the ground.

    He could've left, left again, left a third time. He didn't. You're a fucking moron if you think anything else, so I guess you're a fucking moron.

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  • [+] -34 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    They both suck. She initiated the physical confrontation. He went too far. She went back for more grabbing a weapon (the bottle) when it was clear she was out matched. A night in the drunk tank would be good for both of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You're outside your mind thinking she initiated anything. At no moment was he unable to leave. Every action he took was aggressive every action she took was preventative.

    If I see someone reach for a drink and then instantly it is thrown in their face, it's clear what they expected and why they went for the drink.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    You're on crack.. In no world is her repeatedly invading his space, even with a dangerous weapon in hand, "preventative". She kept moving forward, he kept backing up.

    Honestly, people unable to see her aggression because she's a woman are fucking misogynists.

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