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So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe (www.cole-k.com)
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[–] 68 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

That's true but they probably didn't account for AI data scrapers ramfucking your server so they could steal all the value you assembled for general consumption and serve it themselves for profit.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    The scraping wouldn't be a problem if Reddit simply provided an RSS feed or other data-efficient API. The "ramfucking" is caused by the attempt to block bots; it is entirely self-inflicted.

    Remember, it's all our content to begin with and Reddit does not have any right to try to lock it up for itself.

    That doesn't mean I like all the AI bullshit going on, BTW. But the problem is the generation of the slop, not the data accessibility.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    so why was I getting hit with over 1,400,000 request a day to the web URI and not the API by some bot farm in China the other week. They were also hitting other lemmy instances.

    I blocked the fuckers, no qualms at all.

    Even if they were using the API they were not being nice about their shit.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    But we all know AI companies are unethically scraping and selling shit back to us right? I just really need people to acknowledge that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    It is the "selling shit back to us" specifically, not the "scraping," that's the unethical part. If the AI companies were doing the same scraping (and destructive rare book scanning, for that matter), but were using the data to populate archive.org, would it still be a problem? I would argue "no."

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I think it would be a problem because the scrapers are hammering all types of websites from small forums to reddit with tens of thousands of unique ip addresses at a time. Websites that have neither the money, hardware, or protection had to figure out solutions really quick or suffer what is essentially a constant ddos attack. This is the reality of the web now, it's just an incredibly hostile place.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The "scraping" part becomes unethical when the scraping is so aggressive that it takes down the website (or severely impacts its ability to serve actual clients).

    Archive.org scrapes the web all the time, but it doesn't do it so aggressively that it becomes an issue for the websites they're scraping. The same cannot be said for AI scrapers.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Scraping more than necessary is so stupid that I just sort of dismissed it as a straight-up mistake that will eventually be corrected. I was arguing based on general principle, not specific current practice.

    Obviously, yes, the AI companies should fix their (probably vibe-coded) scrapers so they stop misbehaving; that should've gone without saying.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The scraping wouldn't be a problem if Reddit simply provided an RSS feed or other data-efficient API

    That's simply not true. These bots are essentially DDOSing the entire internet, API or not.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Okay, if efficient APIs existed and they weren't incompetently failing to use them, it wouldn't be a problem. Happy now?

    (I should've addressed that in my previous comment, as I was aware of how one of the Lemmy instances was taken down by scrapers the other day despite the fact that they could easily get all the content simply by consuming ActivityPub directly. But I was naively hoping it wouldn't be necessary because, as you can see from this text, it would've cluttered up my writing with double the words.)

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