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[–] 25 points 2 months ago (27 children)

My issue is if you want to bike in the streetlike a car, then you have to obey car rules. Like stopping at stop lights and stop signs. If you want to ride on the sidewalk then you have to obey pedestrian rules, like crossing at the correct times. Thr number of cyclists I've seen blow through stop signs and stop lights is staggering.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    You say that, but drivers would lose their minds bicyclists followed the same rules. Example: Taking the whole lane.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish bikes just took the whole lane like a car. Half assing it either way is really the problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It's called vehicular cycling and it's a safer way to cycle.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I first found John Forester's book in the library in the 90s, and it felt like a tome of secret, special knowledge. Then, I read more of it, and it did not match my experiences.

    Jason Slaughter has now done a very extensive takedown video on his Not Just Bikes channel, which is far more congruent with what I have seen. Taking the lane is effective when there's no other choice, when it's too narrow for cars to pass, but drivers will try anyway.

    Otherwise, there's very little that's safe about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Also often called "taking the primary position". It's often done to prevent close passes by forcing drivers who want to overtake to wait for a gap in the next lane

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    That or if you are in a group you cycle next to each other, so you are together taking up a comparable width of a car.

    That is the one which angers carbrains the most. Yet it is the safer way to ride.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Man, it's almost as if we need a third thing. A sort of, road for bicycles (or long, skinny concentration camp, if you prefer) which is suited to bicycling without getting in the way. Get those bloody cyclists off our roads and footpaths, those are for us!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    How would you implement this? Are they going to have bridges over every traffic light?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The Netherlands would like a word.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Granted. But they were originally built with cyclists in mind. I would love their infrastructure!

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    The Netherlands was as car-brained as most other countries. Then, they changed course after the Stop de Kindermoord (Stop Murdering Children) protests, and started to build for people outside of cars. The process of rebuilding is still underway, now, in 2026.

    The difference is not that the Netherlands was originally built for bicycles. It was not. The difference is that Americans don't give two shits about the lives of children.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I live in a city in the US that has "bike lights" at the intersections. These give bicyclists the right of way without "letting" cars go as well.

    Little longer of a traffic light, but makes biking waaaaay more approachable for newbie bicyclists (like me!)

    Unfortunately, this is the only place I've ever seen them implemented.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Even when bikes have to ride on the roads, it would be crazy to make them behave exactly like cars, because they're not.

    Cars have to stop at stop signs because a driver's visibility is quite poor, they have obstacles due to the A-pillar, etc,. and it is unsafe if they don't stop and look out for other traffic.

    Bicyclists have much better visibility, and a slower travel speed, so usually don't need the extra time to be aware of other bike/car traffic. They are also incentivized to maintain momentum and move past a dangerous intersection in a visible, efficient way.

    Which is why the Idaho stop is getting more and more accepted. Crashes at intersections go down 23% when implemented.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCs5nDEZpoM

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    A significant portion of accidents involving cyclists is from others not paying enough attention to them - which can be mitigated by proper bike infrastructure.

    Unfortunately we cannot mitigate the recklessness of cyclists this way, another big contributor to the accident statistics.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    When cycling like a pedestrian here, such as on a shared bike/footpath, you do follow pedestrian rules at crossings. So lights are only advisory and you may cross at any time if you want to.

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