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[–] 124 points 3 months ago (26 children)

This is like when cars went from oil pressure and temperature gauges to "idiot" lights. One let's you see trends in situations and be prepared for maintenance, the other tells why your car broke down.

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  • [+] 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    😀 yeah it made sense to me because I grew up in the changeover.

    But here's the Wiki entry.

    The "idiot light" terminology arises from popular frustration with automakers' use of lights for crucial functions which could previously be monitored by gauges, so a troublesome condition could be detected and corrected early. Such early detection of problems with, for example, engine temperature or oil pressure or charging system operation is not possible via an idiot light, which lights only when a fault has already occurred – thus providing no advance warnings or details of the malfunction's extent.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Fun fact the gauges were also made to be idiot friendly. They report the average over a period (or similar) because if they reported the live reading users used to panic and think their car is breaking down seeing the gauge move.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe my vehicles were old enough before that electronic averaging. 90s. The oil pressure and temperature would respond as the engine warmed, or as you revved it. Sitting in traffic on a hot day and you could watch the temp gauge climb, and then drop when you started moving.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    If you have a newer car, it's worse.

    Your car can say check engine and turn off a lot of features in your car if you're external thermometer in simply malfunctioning.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Your newer car will also tell you EXACTLY which sensors are showing bad data and whether it's an electrical fault in the sensor's circuit or implausible input, etc. Unfortunately you need a scan tool for it, but depending on the make you might find a decent free or cheap app to use a generic ELM327 or better, STNN1110 based OBD2 tool, that lets you scan all the modules rather than just OBD2 standard stuff.

    So rather than playing parts darts or verifying every sensor by multimeter using known resistance ranges or putting up with bad fuel economy and low power... You just scan the thing and it'll tell you.

    I've owned cars from the '90s, '00s and '10s (2019 being the latest) and while my cars from '10s didn't have sensor issues, I'll tell you that I'll take the complex and super hated '00s German cars over the early '90s one ANY day of the week. Super easy to diagnose.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    My 2014 kangoo probably have like 3 sensors. I already changed an expensive turbo sensor and the one detecting if your seatbelt is making it beep for 3 minutes whatever you'd do before stopping every time I drive. I wonder if it's rational to fix it, costwise.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Oh it has significantly more sensors than that, trust me.

    As for the seatbelt sensor, honestly depends on the cost and how long you plan on keeping it. Without knowing your car, I can't say for sure, but I suspect it's a simple switch. The issue may very well also be in the wiring, or the switch could've broken loose or something (in which case you'd likely need the belt buckle receptacle thingy).

    Personally I'm so annoyed by things like that, I'd fix it. It probably annoys you, and if you do end up selling it rather than keeping it, it'll annoy the buyer.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I know, it's just very very not modern, which is good, but it also breaks down all the time which is less cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The French know exactly how to make a car last 10 years and start breaking down after that unfortunately.

    I honestly don't know what would be a good replacement if you do need to get rid of it though. That type of van is a market dominated by the French to the point that "Berlingo" is almost a universal term for them IMO.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Yeah, as a swede I'm not used to the shaky quality 😅

    The Berlingo is the Citroen version, and also an old french candy used for getting the bad taste of hot spring water out of your mouth (it's supposedly good to bathe in and drink but often taste of sulfur)

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    All that information is available in the cluster lmfao.

    There’s far more information that needs to be readily apparent to a driver than the oil pressure.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Oil pressure tells you if the engine is dying or if the Oil is breaking down or overheating. I'd take it over an RPM gage.

    A lot of vehicles dont have it in their cluster menus these days.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I drive a 10 year old Vauxhall and it definitely does not have it. I wanted to know my oil temp and had to resort to a Bluetooth obd plug paired to my phone.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    How does that work…? That’s quite obviously not how you can get that information. The engine needs to be off and the vehicle in accessory for OBD2 ports to work, the oils not moving so there’s no pressure or temp involved.

    How do you access your trip milegage information? The oils data is in that same menu.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    OBD2 primarily works when the vehicle is running. It can be used to tune some vehicles while they are on. What car do you have that doesn't have the OBD port on while its running? It would be illegal in most states in the US.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What's more important than oil temp?

    Speed is only relevant when there's a cop around, otherwise im driving safely with the flow of traffic, the speed in mph is irrelevant. The RPM are important but I can hear it, don't need the number really. But the oil, i need to know because i would have no idea if it was overheating until something already went wrong and requires an expensive repair.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Is your vehicle in state of constant disrepair where it’s leaking oil? You check the dipstick before you leave for your drive, and if it loses enough pressure during the drive to be an issue it will be noticeable. Either a lights gonna come on, it’s gonna make a smell, leave a drip under it, etc. There’s always physical evidence, the gauge does nothing that a petrip inspection won’t find.

    And if you’re curious, spend 3 seconds finding the information in the cluster. It’s not something that’s ever had to be checked 24/7 while driving like you speed and rpms and other actual important information. It also prevents the dash from being clustered with superfluous data and have the constantly needed information Readily apparent. 3 gauges vs a dozen.

    It’s not an issue for your owned car, but people lend cars out, rentals etc.

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