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"Critical support" Compromise? (lemmy.world)
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[–] [S] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)

Your grandparent if it was genetic:

"I wouldn't take the German position, but how does England/France/Poland expect to end this war? Do they really think France will retake the Elsass and Lotharingia? To me, compromise seems pragmatic and has nothing to do with supporting Germany"

They win the same way any free people has ever resisted domination by tyrants. By fighting.

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  • [+] -18 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    I find the comparisons between Putin's Russia and Hitler's Germany to be profoundly idiotic. If I need to lay out why then there's no point even trying to argue because there's a basic lack of understanding that needs to be overcome.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Is that what you find? Thank you for your wise judgment, professor "not taking the tankie position, but," no comparisons to be made, one country is a nationalist dictatorship hellbent on revanchist conquest and ethnic cleansing, the other is Germany.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago

    The motives or the ideology are not the point. There are dozens of these and none of them are Nazi Germany. Is Argentina in 1982 Germany? Is Indonesia in 1975 Germany? Why not? Same reason as Ukraine: material circumstances dictate what a country is able to do. If you can't hold Kharkiv you're not in the same category as the Wehrmacht. I don't care what a fascist you are, you're not going to be able to conquer Europe and Ursula von der Leyen is not Neville Chamberlain. The Hitler comparison is literally the laziest analogy you can make.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    You realize saying "I'm right and you're wrong, and if you don't know why I'm not going to tell you," comes across as extremely childish, right?

    Are you making the argument that Russia isn't engaging in ethnic cleansing? Or that they don't have the same alliances as Germany did? What precisely are you separating between the 2 actions taken by powerful aggressors?

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago

    "Powerful aggressors" is the issue. If you think Germany in 1939 is the same thing as Russia in 2023 then I have a bridge to sell you. You realize Germany defeated continental Europe and then invaded half of Russia, right? Putin's military couldn't hold Kharkiv. Idealogical analogies are great until they run into material reality.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    No hes right lmao. There is no comparison to be made.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Why? Where does the analogy fall apart, specifically? Is there no comparison because they are literally just different countries and the year is different?

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Does putin have concentration camps set up where Ukrainians are used as slave labor and then liquidated and then sent up a chimney?

    Or was he responding to a buildup of NATO forces along the border and Ukraine killing ethnic Russians within Ukraine?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The allies in WW2 didn't fight because Hitler was putting people in concentration camps.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The allies in WWII were extremely war weary from WWI and waited until they were forced to fight. The "allies" now want to use Ukraine to the last man to try and degrade Russia as much as they can, because war makes them money.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not arguing with you, I'm making fun of your willful inability to understand an analogy

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I think a much better comparison to Hitler using a contemporary figure is Nenatyahu 🤷

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