▲ 30 ▼ How China gets better bang for its buck than America in AI. Its investment lags far behind America’s. Its models do not (www.economist.com) submitted 3 months ago by FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works to c/technology@lemmy.world 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] kibblebits 2 points 3 months ago (14 children) China loves to steal tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (3 children) Oh come on all of AI is built on stolen tech, you can't get mad at China for playing by the same rules as everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Less mad, more statement of fact permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago I'm mad at China and at OpenAI, Anthropic, Facebook, Google, ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibblebits 3 points 3 months ago I’m not mad? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Which is great. Intellectual property is innovation-stifling cancer. I'd certainly rather China have the tech to make all those EVs than leave the West to hoard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) I don’t necessarily disagree, but you’re a trashy person stop talking to me mrdown permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) I'll never understand why people keep saying I'm Mrdown. Edit: Oh it's not "people" it's just you. Still, why Mrdown in particular? Like what's the thought process here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You know why permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago No I don't? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Miller@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) The problem with not doing the heavy lifting yourself and using derived technology and ideas is that in evolutionary terms you are not selecting for innovators. Down the road this approach becomes ingrained both philosophically and in reality as you let your own innovators wither on the vine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Yeah China's VERY good at reverse engineering stuff and playing catch up. Haven't really seen them take a clear lead in developing new technology in any field though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) That's more due to the lack of new technology these days. AI aside most modern engineering is incremental improvements to existing technology—that's the innovation everyone is doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) GenAI? Self-driving cars? Robots? Materials science? All science and innovation is incremental, but some have bigger impacts than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (3 children) Oh come on all of AI is built on stolen tech, you can't get mad at China for playing by the same rules as everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Less mad, more statement of fact permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago I'm mad at China and at OpenAI, Anthropic, Facebook, Google, ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibblebits 3 points 3 months ago I’m not mad? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago Less mad, more statement of fact permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago I'm mad at China and at OpenAI, Anthropic, Facebook, Google, ... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Which is great. Intellectual property is innovation-stifling cancer. I'd certainly rather China have the tech to make all those EVs than leave the West to hoard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) I don’t necessarily disagree, but you’re a trashy person stop talking to me mrdown permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) I'll never understand why people keep saying I'm Mrdown. Edit: Oh it's not "people" it's just you. Still, why Mrdown in particular? Like what's the thought process here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You know why permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago No I don't? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) I don’t necessarily disagree, but you’re a trashy person stop talking to me mrdown permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) I'll never understand why people keep saying I'm Mrdown. Edit: Oh it's not "people" it's just you. Still, why Mrdown in particular? Like what's the thought process here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You know why permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago No I don't? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) I'll never understand why people keep saying I'm Mrdown. Edit: Oh it's not "people" it's just you. Still, why Mrdown in particular? Like what's the thought process here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You know why permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago No I don't? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibblebits 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You know why permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago No I don't? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Miller@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) The problem with not doing the heavy lifting yourself and using derived technology and ideas is that in evolutionary terms you are not selecting for innovators. Down the road this approach becomes ingrained both philosophically and in reality as you let your own innovators wither on the vine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Yeah China's VERY good at reverse engineering stuff and playing catch up. Haven't really seen them take a clear lead in developing new technology in any field though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) That's more due to the lack of new technology these days. AI aside most modern engineering is incremental improvements to existing technology—that's the innovation everyone is doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) GenAI? Self-driving cars? Robots? Materials science? All science and innovation is incremental, but some have bigger impacts than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Yeah China's VERY good at reverse engineering stuff and playing catch up. Haven't really seen them take a clear lead in developing new technology in any field though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) That's more due to the lack of new technology these days. AI aside most modern engineering is incremental improvements to existing technology—that's the innovation everyone is doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) GenAI? Self-driving cars? Robots? Materials science? All science and innovation is incremental, but some have bigger impacts than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) That's more due to the lack of new technology these days. AI aside most modern engineering is incremental improvements to existing technology—that's the innovation everyone is doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) GenAI? Self-driving cars? Robots? Materials science? All science and innovation is incremental, but some have bigger impacts than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) GenAI? Self-driving cars? Robots? Materials science? All science and innovation is incremental, but some have bigger impacts than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago In order: GenAI? I said "AI aside" for a reason. Self-driving cars? Fair enough, though I don't hear much about those these days. Robots? Materials science? No idea what's going on with materials science, but robots aren't exactly new, so this is incremental improvement to existing technology. permalink fedilink source parent