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    The word “negro” is also used in so many ways that I can’t keep count.

    This is awesome he just can't stop digging. My guy, you're doubling down on top of your mistake of not understanding that calling someone a "Gallego" as an insult is offensive to people.

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    I am 100% sure that you will keep using it, you and people like you lack the self analysis skills to be able to change your behaviour. The reason you think it's inoffensive is that you stay in your bubble of 'Tanos and haven't spent more than half an hour with an afrodescendent person.

    I would love for you to have a black Argentinian friend that you have long conversations with and bring up that word in multiple contexts and see how he reacts. The problem is that you lack the skills to be able to process their discomfort.

    Meanwhile, I'd love for you to explain what a "chiste de gallego" is like without making it seem like nothing more than an excuse to punch down on people from Spain.

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    black people? What black people?

    It is a tragedy what the Spaniards did to the natives.

    Uuuh-huh.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The natives of Argentina were not black. Africans were brought to the region as slaves and Argentina received a very small number of them. As soon as we could, when we got rid of spain anf wrote our constitution, slavery was abolished.

    No one looks down or discriminates black people in argentina. Don't believe random lies you read on the internet. Also, read a book before spouting nonsense about a country you know nothing about.

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    The natives of Argentina were not black. Africans were brought to the region as slaves and Argentina received a very small number of them.

    As soon as we could, when we got rid of spain anf wrote our constitution, slavery was abolished.

    I wasn't saying that was the case. I was saying that you are faking sympathy with the natives while being discriminatory towards the black argentinians.

    There is a problem with argentinian attitudes towards black people, which requires self reflection. Here's some documentation of recent perspectives and incidents :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/argentina-european-self-image-racist-incidents-brazil

    One thing to note :

    Although slavery was abolished in Argentina in 1853, the descendants of enslaved Africans – and their influence on the country’s culture, from tango to language and food – remain.

    While the constitution was written in 1853, your liberation was much earlier.

    Independence from Spain: 9 July 1816

    Also, here's another article on the topic :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/argentina-white-european-racism-history

    Delgado and Gomes point to recent studies of population surveys and genetics that paint a far different picture from Argentina’s accepted history: one recent study concluded that up to 9% of today’s Argentinians may have ancestry from Africa.

    In 1778, Africans and Afro-descendants made up 37% of the population of what is now Argentina, according to a census by its Spanish colonialist rulers. In some major provinces the proportion was more than 50%.

    That number did not drop significantly after independence from Spain in 1816: Afro-descendants accounted for 30% of the population of Buenos Aires for decades after independence. But after that, the number is unknown, because Argentina’s census bureau stopped collecting racial information.

    “Census data was manipulated to erase us first from the statistics – and then from the history books,” says Gomes. “From the end of the 19th century the state meticulously began to make us invisible to present Argentina as homogeneous and of European descent.”

    Argentina’s “whitening process” has been studied in depth by US academic Erika Edwards in her book Hiding in Plain Sight, published last year by University of Alabama Press.

    “The whitening project was a successful endeavor in terms of the erasure of blackness,” said Edwards. “The idea that somebody could be the descendant of a slave is just not there.”

    “It’s time for Argentinians to take their black grandmother out of the closet,” said Delgado.

    Also, from the first article, here's something that corroborates a video that went viral a while back when an Itallian descendant report interviewed, in a Vox Populi segment, a person from the North of Argentina. She asked how , as a foreigner , the Northerner viewed argentina/buenos aires, to which the interviewee responded that they were Argentinian, and the interviewer proceeded to say "not really, you're more of a Bolivian".

    (Edit: i misremembered some things: https://youtu.be/QEiZT3u_wEk )

    Pita said: “An Aymara descendant born in the north of Argentina is treated as Bolivian, a Mapuche born in Argentine Patagonia is treated as Chilean; and an African-descendant from Buenos Aires is treated as Uruguayan or Brazilian, because the only thing considered truly Argentine is whiteness.”

    You guys have problems with racism in your country and culture, and need to do some self reflection to process these ideas in order to become better people by not claiming ethnically charged insults are just for "dark humour, you wouldn't get it".

    Then maybe you can win the world cup a few more times instead of the few that you got, you know, by cheating.

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    you are faking sympathy with the natives while being discriminatory towards the black argentinians.

    When did I do that????? XD Another major difference between other countries and us that there are no "black" or any other type of argentinians. We're all argentinians. Period.

    I'm not even going to bother proving how bad your spurces are and how misguided your view is. It simply doesn't make sense. You will still believe what you want to believe. Are there some racist people in Argentina? Sure. Aren't there some shitty people in literally the entire world? Of course. Does that mean that the entire world population is shitty?

    Make of that what you will. But don't project your own racial issues onto other people that have nothing to do with them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    I’m not even going to bother proving how bad your spurces are and how misguided your view is. It simply doesn’t make sense.

    The guardian is a fairly reputable newspaper, reporting on actual research done by Argentinians and books written by Argentinians, to add background information to an actual event that really took place.

    Not sure why you think the source is bad. Did you want it from "La Cronica" or something?

    Fatal accident in Flores, it has caused the deaths of two people and a Bolivian

    EDIT : How about from Tal Cual Gente? I know THAT'S a reliable source of Argentinian news.

    WE ARE WINNING

    Just for good measure, even though it was a mistake, I need to share the reliable, objective news coverage from argentinas' finest news organisation, tal cual.

    YOU CAN HELP US WIN THE WAR.
    HOW IT IS
    The secret history of Thatcher, 57 years old, British Prime Minister
    PIRATE
    WITCH
    AND ASSASSIN

    GUILTY

    EDIT2 : Adding translations

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    Thatcher commited war crimes and was a despicable human being. You don't seem to have fallen too far from the tree.

    It's funny how people accuse an entire nation of doing things that literally never happened and then proceed to nonchalantly do those very same things they complained about.

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    What's your argument here? I made fun of Tal Cual being unreliable while defending the journalistic integrity of the guardian, and instead of showing me why your point holds water with reasons why the guardian is an unreliable source, you are reminding me that Thatcher was an arsehole.

    Yeah. Thatcher was an arsehole. I firsthand saw the ruins she left in an entire REGION of a country. I know she is. I fucking find it hilarious that Tal Cual pre-photoshop photoshopped her.

    But that doesn't have any bearing on the state of journalism of the guardian, or why the argentinian people writing articles and books about the race issues in argentina are not telling the truth. The incidents being reported on happened. You are meant to accept the facts and try to improve yourself.

    This whole comment section is basically the world dunking on you for having no self awareness, and we are having fun making fun of you. You could take this as an opportunity to reflect, but you're not.

    Fuck it, have something from the horses mouth and see if you can understand it like that .

    GUILLE AQUINO Sketch | ARGENTINO VOL. 2 Ft. YAYO

    https://youtu.be/fy3zCAg6rg4?t=9

    EDIT : Is your argument that Thatcher was a literal Witch?

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    So it is derogatory, got it.

    It's our type of humour. You don't get it, it's fine. We even insult ourselves sometimes. If it offends you it's your problem, not mine.

    "And why am I even need to read your own messages to you?" Did you get an aneurysm? I think I understood what you meant. And yeah, instead of saying that you "kept" saying that, I should've said that you "still" said it. Making that type of remark only implies that you're pretty obtuse. Do things always have to be explicitly laid out for you to understand it? Way to keep a legacy alive xD

    There’s this joke we tell in Spain: how did the Argentinian commit suicide? They jumped from the top of their own ego.

    Oh nooooo they're telling me I have self-esteem. How will I ever sleep??? We know that one and we laugh about it too.

    Let me know when you can back that ego up, instead of outsourcing it to a team full of little whiny bitches who can barely kick a ball. In the meantime, enjoy being second.

    How are argentinians the "whining bitches" if we're not the ones rolling on the ground, complaining about referees and celebrating other nation's accomplishments? I'm damn proud of us being 2nd and I can't explain why because you've made it clear that you'll never understand it.

    Also, "barely kick a ball"? We're the tesm with the most goals in the tournament and the best matches too (even if we sucked and spain shone last night). Celebrate your victory, have fun, but don't be delusional. It will bite you in the ass.

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    Pretty hard not to be illusioned with a team that won as much as ours.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You literally lost the finals.

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    But we made it there 3 times out of the last 4, and that's an incredible and wonderful thing. If you're only proud of your team when they win then I feel sorry for you.

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    But we made it there 3 times out of the last 4,

    Cuantas copas tenes de estes torneos? 3? O uno? Porque uds encantan tirar "cuantas copas tenes" y en este dicho, no hay "cuantas finales alcanzaban? Estoy seguro que tu equipo es muy bueno y juega con honor y destreza". Es "Cuantas copas tenes". Si te falta ganar la copa, no es la victora...

    Con este tipo de punto de visto.

    Asi, porteño, toma. Toma el merecido y aprende algo. Comparte la leccion con los demas porteños asi pueden crecer como gente y mejorar argentina.

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    Que decia xD No soy de buenos aires y no me parece que decir "no ganaste las 3 finales sea un insulto cuando viene de alguien que probablemente no jugo ninguna.

    Cuantas copas tenes de estes torneos?

    Seguramente mas que vos, a menos que seas aleman, brasilero o italiano.

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    It’s our type of humour. You don’t get it, it’s fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Libreals? Wtf? Is all politics us politics now? There are waaaay more colours than just b&w.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is a meme that makes fun of edgelords who throws excuses like "dark humour" to say things that are unfunny and offensive, instead of actual dark humour, which is funny and offensive.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Except that this is not "dark" humour and doesn't offend anyone who understands the sentiment?

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    Why the fuck would people in Rome have passion for Spain?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Can confirm. I watched in Spain and no one celebrated. Few people watched and after the final whistle they clapped and went home. It was one of the calmest nights I've seen. /s

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I can see you're very proud of how your people celebrate football but, as I told you in another thread, it's probably more toned down in Spain simply because people have more things to celebrate than just football. I'm sure that if Spain lived in constant crisis for 40 years and with bleak outlooks for the future and without any World Cup since 1986 they would also lose their minds. Spain currently holds European Championship, female World Championship and won last World Cup 16 years ago. So yeah, they celebrated the normal amount.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Nope, it's relsted to the culture itself. If you'd ever actually met an argentinian or visited argentina you'd know this.

    without any World Cup since 1986 they would also lose their minds

    Dude, when it comes to football Spain was born in 2010.

    Spain currently holds European Championship

    Good for them. Argentina won their last two america cups.

    female World Championship

    No disrespect but I couldn't care less about that and I doubt spaniards care that much about it either.

    won last World Cup 16 years ago

    We won 4 years ago. Does that mean that if we'd won our 5th consecutive title we should've celebrated a negative amount? Like be angry because we won? Wth is that logic xD

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, yes. Argentina is the best country in the world, everyone is jealous and wishes they lived there. It's true Europe has way higher purchasing power, way less crime, better infrastructure, health care and education but we would trade it all for the ability to celebrate football wins real hard. If we only could celebrate our World Cup like they do in Argentina once every 40 years we would be so much happier. Such envy. Much sadness.

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    higher purchasing power

    Depends on the specific country

    way less crime

    There's actually less crime than in several european countries. Including spain.

    education

    Argentina as a whole, probably true. I was lucky enough to be born in s city with top notch free public schools but in a lot of cities that's not the case.

    we would trade it all for the ability to celebrate football wins real hard

    The difference is palpable in daily life, not just football. You could also have both if you had some blood in your veins. But hey, you do you.

    Argentina is the best country in the world

    You're damn right it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I was actually feeling sorry for you before the game and wouldn't mind Argentina winning but your delusions convinced me you didn't actually deserved to win. I'm so glad you didn't 😂

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    A) Don't need your pity.

    B) Everything I said is pretty easy to confirm.

    C) A single person determines how you view an entire country? That's a G if I've ever seen one xD

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    .... The ones where they destroyed half of Buenos aires?

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    Nothing was destroyed. What are you talking about? You're thinking of france in 2018.

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    Ok, maybe some things were destroyed xD

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    Ooopsie whooopsie, maybe we did do a riotcito.

    🤭

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    Things do happen, I'm not saying riots are an Argentinian thing, every fucking time the Vancouver Canucks reach the Stanley cup finals they riot like idiots; but what you presented was denialism and then not an admission of error but brushing it off. It wasn't "nothing happens, whoops, something did happen" two fucking people died because you guys won the world cup.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Uhm you know how they died right? They weren't killed. One guy fell through the roof of a building and another got choked to death with an argentinian flag while riding a motorcycle (it got caught in the wheels or something). Both died out of neglect, not violence. Several of the injured also got injured for the same reason.

    It wasn't a "riot" it was a celebration that got out of hand.

    What did you think happened?

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    So let's re contextualise. You criticised the spanish fans for not celebrating like the argentinians. We said that you guys celebrate by destroying things; and it's not just you guys that do this, but in this conversation, we are highlighting things that actually happen in argentina.

    Thus, your argument went like this :

    You :We celebrate the best!

    Us : There are riots when you celebrate

    You : Nothing bad happened

    Us : Here's reports of literal, death, destruction , injury and people being arrested because you guys rioted.

    You : These things happen, it's ok.

    Us : Things getting out of control to the point where people die is not a healthy or sane way to celebrate an event :

    You : No, but you see, they weren't killed, they died because they were reckless.

    Like, have some fucking self respect and reflect on what is going on with your views and country. It's not normal for people to be like this. It's a fucking disgrace when the Vancouver Canucks fans do it, and it's a fucking disgrace when the Argentina fans do it, and it's a disgrace when french fans do it.

    It's up to the people of those regions to say "This behaviour is unacceptable" and to seek to create a culture where these things are not seen as acceptable. Not to say "it's just the lads having a laugh".

    The Irish are a fucking delight everywhere they go for sporting events. They make the environment better, everyone happier and even FIX SHIT. Do you want to make the argument that the IRISH fans are doing this shit while sober? The Japanese fans clean up the entire fucking stadium, and I assume they are more sober.

    Why don't you want yourself and your people to aspire to be more like that, instead of like the fucking Vancouverite thugs?

    I'm not Spanish, I'm not English, in Turkey, a long running comedy sketch show was all about sketches on the state of the economy and lives of the people, and frankly begging everyone from all layers of society to be better. You guys seriously need that kind of attitude adjustment. You can take this thread, which means a lot to you, since you posted non-stop all day in here as free entertainment for us salt miners, as a heads up to help make your own culture and people better, or you can just continue your path of denial and idiocy.

    And you know what, more for us. Just keep Milei, Peter Thiel and the Kirchnerists to yourself.

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