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[–] 244 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

someone snuck this little gem into the article

Alt text: Screenshot from the article showing two captioned images. First image shows a winning team celebrating. It is captioned, "Rodri lifts the trophy! Photograph: Bradley Collyer/PA"

The second image shows Gianni Infantino speaking with Donald Trump. It is captioned, "Gianni Infantino carefully explains to Donald Trump that he is not part of the spanish national team. Photograph: Javier García/Shutterstock"

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  • [–] 88 points 3 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Lmao, seems to have been taken down now, thank you for the archive link

    The link to the image itself doesnt work, but it's still there in the article itself, I just didnt know how to navigate the weird timeline format thing or whatever is going on there

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    We watched the ceremony in a restaurant after the game. Trump tried to stand with the team for the jumping celebration photo. It was a half creepy lurker, half senile old man moment. Then the FIFA asshole dragged him away. So the caption is accurate.

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  • [–] 132 points 3 months ago (84 children)

    Glad Spain won, they were by far the better team. Argentina are just a bunch of bullys, I'm surprised they didnt get more yellow cards.

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  • [+] -80 points 3 months ago (81 children)
  • [–] 88 points 3 months ago (78 children)

    It's not about the amount of fouls, it's about what the fouls were.

    Enzo's first yellow was complaining after faking a foul.

    Argentina played dirty, their yellows were completely deserved and they did absolutely nothing but petty moves the entire game.

    Glad Spain won. It's a mystery that Argentina, with the level they offered last night, even made it so far.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    I don't think it's as much about the level of Argentina and more about the level Spain plays at. There's basically no team that can beat them at the moment. The best you can do is defend and hope they don't score (like Cape Verde did). They are so dominant and so good at holding the ball that they even made a team like France look incompetent. .

    Most of the Argentina players didn't play at their best (just like they've done all tournament) but Spain also just made it impossible for them. Add to that the injuries and forced subs of both of their starting centre backs, the red card and that idiot Paredes coming and only kicking players instead of the ball and there was just no chance of them achieving anything.

    I feel bad for Messi, he really dragged the team all the way to the final only for his teammates to completely give up once they got there. It made it easy for Spain to neutralize Messi and with that, all threat from Argentina was gone. If Messi retires (which I think he will), I think Argentina won't be much of a threat for the foreseeable future.

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  • [+] -81 points 3 months ago (76 children)

    If you want to buy that narrative, sure. Go ahead. There was no "dirty" play, you sound like someone who never watches anything outside the world cup.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    I watch football every week, Paredes should have seen 4 yellows, Argentina plays a game of grabbing and pushing to irritate the opponents and then starts little fights to break the rhythm of the game.

    Maybe that's how it is in South America, I don't watch South American football but in Europe that's trash and with a good ref you start seeing yellows for repeated faults even on small offenses until it stops.

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  • [+] -53 points 3 months ago (19 children)
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  • [+] -35 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Paredes was way too violent. However, if you watch the video you'll see both how garcia taunts him and how Gavi hits him from behind. Both sides were at fault here, bot only one is Argentina and that's all some see.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    If I were Argentinan, I'd be embarrassed for my country today with how that team acted yesterday.

    And here you are still stroking away at it.

    There's a reason the world was not cheering for Spain, but cheering AGAINST Argentina. Because your whole country are a bunch of fucking losers.

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  • [+] -18 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    But you're not. That's why you don't and never will understand this locura.

    There's a reason the world was not cheering for Spain, but cheering AGAINST Argentina. Because your whole country are a bunch of fucking losers.

    There was actually a pretty big social media campaing. Going as far as using AI to create images of things that never happened.

    I honestly don't care because I actually watched the games. We got to the final because we deserved it, not because of favours. Period. If you think you're better than us, prove it on the pitch like spain did. Otherwise, keep watching on tv.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Disagree VARgentina, you've gotten away with a lot of hate the last few years because of Messi's fanboys. Once he retires people will remember that Argentina are and always have been dirty cheats. At least you are the best in the world at something, chin up lad!

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  • [+] -13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Imaging having so much aura that people have to make up a theory that everything was scripted and arranged for you to win. Also, is it a bad thing to be a "messi fanboy"? Like literally, you're saying that rooting for the best player in the history of the sport is a bad thing. It's just sad to see xD

    You should watch football more often than just once every 4 years. You might learn a thing or two.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Look at you going around defending the Argentinian thugs who just produced what has been described by many as the worst world cup final performance by a team ever. Another accolade for Messi to win at the tail end of his career as one of the best players of all time.

    Argentina were pathetic in the final and even worse after the final whistle. It was absolutely men against entitled little boys out there and the rest of the planet is delighted Spain and football won on the night. I only wish I could get that 2 1/2 hours of my life back. Dirty, cheating Argentine losers stole it from me like they tried to steal the world cup.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    You could donate your eyes to people that would actually use them.

    You and your kind are classless.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    "Your kind" lol. You're my kind dude. We're all people.

    Also, using that kind of video and zoom as if it was something scandalous is pretty embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as giving the golden ball to a player that had zero goals or assists.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    You are joke, downplaying a straight up assault of a sucker punch from Molina. You are classless, and always will be, for the whole world to see.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Maybe you should revisit the definition of sucker punch. Gavi can help you out.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    😂 you really are shameless. Let me guess, not living anymore in Argentina but still carrying the inferiority complex abroad? Get some education and some self reflexion and learn to live with your emotions.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Holy god, the people are bringing more receipts than a fucking tax return and you can't stop the denial! You're getting more ratios than a cookbook for cooking for banquets.

    But like, thanks for the free entertainment. This is basically a modern day gallows where we are throwing tomatoes in your face.

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  • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Only one team came to the final to play football, Spain had 20 shots 12 on target, Argentina had 2 shots with none on target in 120 mins of football. Argentina came to spoil the game and hoped to steal it on penalties. If I was an Argentina fan I would be embarrassed by the team and even more so by their petelent display at the end physically assaulting the Spanish players. The Argentinians had no right to be that upset, they were never in the game.

    Football was the real winner.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    You'd probably say that the football that Paraguay offered wasn't dirty either. Lmao.

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  • [+] -57 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    See? You can't even name a football club. Also, Spain made 80 fouls and argentina 88 in the entire tournament, but Argentina is "dirty". Another interesting stat, Argentina players were fouled 86 times, whereas Spain's were fouled 70.

    But sure, keep repeating the hate narrative.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why would I name a football club? Are you alright?

    Again, it's not about the numbers. There is no stat on the severity of fouls. Did you even watch the matches? Or are you willfully blind to the shit your favorite team does?

    I don't know how you guys play football in South America, but in the rest of the world we tend to follow the rules and play the game, rather than try and takedown the opponents.

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  • [+] -55 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Again spoken like a true world cup spectator. There's really nothing to say to people like you that know nothing about the sport.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (44 children)

    Argentina consistently delivers teams that are a disgrace to football and sportsmanship.

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  • [+] -56 points 3 months ago (43 children)

    I think that's called "envy". But sure dude, whatever you say.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    0 shots on goal in 120 minutes is hard to be envious about.

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  • [+] -20 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    A single match does not define your national team. Although it's normal to have such a short memory being a spanish supporter. You were only just born in 2010 after all xD

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I'm neither a Spanish supporter, nor born in the 2000s.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I wasn't talking about your literal birth date. It was directed at the spanish football team which basically has no history at all before 2010.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Bro the highest quality league is the spanish one. Barca and Real Madrid alone dominate football.

    The Argentinian league might as well be called "boca v river" and one of them even got relegated a few years ago

    EDIT : The reason Messi became huge was literally because Barcelona moved him out of fucking Rosario. They couldn't even get him the medicine he needed for his growth

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The problem wasn't getting it, it was paying. Messi would've been messi regardless of where he went. Glad it was barcelona though. It's a great club and I never criticized it. Nor did I criticize or talk abount any league of any kind. But hey, if you want to keep crying about random stuff no one said go ahead.

    Do keep in mind though, Barcelona is in Catalunya.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    The problem wasn’t getting it, it was paying. Messi would’ve been messi regardless of where he went.

    Che si Messi no recibio las hormonas de crecer cuando era chico, seria el Enano de Rosario (Como el enano de Boca), no el proximo Pele.

    The problem wasn’t getting it, it was paying.

    The economic situation in argentina is so shit that people aren't getting the medical care they need. Admit it man.

    Nor did I criticize or talk abount any league of any kind.

    It was directed at the spanish football team which basically has no history at all before 2010.

    How has the team which feeds off the academies of Real Madrid, Barcelona and others like, Atletico Bilabo, who are one of the few xenophobic regions that turn that xenophobia into results for their region, a country which has no football history?

    Do keep in mind though, Barcelona is in Catalunya.

    I just checked, and, yes , it turns out Catalonia is a region of spain. Maybe you're confusing portugal with Catalonia? That's why CR7 is not part of the spanish squad, but various catalonians, argonians, galicians, and yes, basque players are part of the spanish squad, and they got there through the rich history of football the country has.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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    How could they be accused of anything if they were footballistically born in 2010? XD their accomplishments can't be denied though. They're a very good team and I never said otherwise.

    The 1978 match fixing is a popular accusation. Alas, an accusation with no proof. You're free to believe it's true, if that makes you feel better. Even though la mano de dios in 1986 happened, it happened to a country that had very recently commited war crimes and invaded argentinian soil. Sorry for celebrating it. Maybe spain sympathizes with other colonizers, I don't. 1990 is also a popular story with no actual proof. Keep accusing of random stuff if you want, it's pretty amusing.

    Argentina won a World Cup in 2024 with a loss and two draws, probably the worst results of a champion in the modern era.

    Is it? I thought winning the cup was the best possible result.

    If we're playing that game, when Spain won in 2010, they scored 8 goals. That's the fewest ever for a champion. On the other hand, Argentina scored 15 in 2022 (2nd highest in world cup history).

    They won two copa America during a time when the whole continent hadn’t won’t a single World Cup in 20 years.

    What a stupid thing to say xD that doesn't mean that it's easy to do. Also, 20 years is 5 world cups. Do you really think that's a meaningful metric? It's also wrong. When Argentina won the cup in 2024, there was a country in the continent that had won the world cup. I think you can guess who.

    The only good player they have will retire this coming year

    Saying that messi is the "only" good player is being either blind or just ignorant.

    I’m sure as fuck they won’t win another World Cup until 2050.

    Here's to hoping you're wrong 🤞

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    First, Spain (and I'm not reading this ridiculous wall of text).

    Second, Argentina.

    Third, England.

    Fourth, France.

    Fifth, my country's "past accolade" was 2 years ago. Which is the least amount of time possible after losing the world cup.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (28 children)

    I don't think Spain is envious

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  • [+] -29 points 3 months ago (27 children)

    Of argentinian passion? Yes. They have literally told me more than a few times.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Are they in the room with us?

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  • [+] -18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    We're not in a room so I guess the answer is no?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Ah, fun at parties I see. Not the world cup parties, tho, those are in Madrid.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Sick burn (? What can you expect from fans that have 2 songs:

    • "españa" clap clap clap
    • "viva la españa"

    Classic hits. Rolls right off the tongue.

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  • [+] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    Yeah that song was always awful (albeit creative) but it's more about being inflammatory than actually racist. It's funny that france acuses argentinians of being racist. In case you didn't know, they still have colonies and charge absurd taxes to former colonies, as well as being very racist themselves. Heck they even depicted a black MP as a "slave". It seems that the only place they like seeing black people is on the pitch.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (17 children)

    They were just being nice. No need to kick someone when they are down.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago* (16 children)

    This has happened multiple times throughout the years, not yesterday. It's simply a reality.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Yes, I know. Argentina was down for a very long time. The 2022 world cup is pretty much the only good thing that happened to them in the last 40 years. Trying to diminish it would be cruel. So yes, Spaniards will say they envy you but they are just being nice.

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  • [+] -13 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    3 world cup finals out of the last 4, 2 copa america and a finalissima. Sure, that was the only good thing. Lol. Tell me you're envious without telling me you're envious.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    You see... other countries don't just have football. We have growing economies, scientific achievements, cultural achievements and politicians that are not an international embarrassment. Argentina was in constant crisis for decades, had 200% inflation, growing crime and corruption. So no, people don't really think of Argentina with envy. Personally, I'm glad they have football to help them get through tough times but that's because I have some friends form Argentina and I visited it couple of years ago. Most people don't think about it at all.

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  • [+] -14 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    So do we. There's a reason the last wave of immigration, from Spain no less, to Argentina was just two generations ago. Heck even now there are 544 thousand spaniards living in argentina.

    Each time you get a vaccine remember that the syringe was invented in Argentina. If you or anyone you know needs to get a heart bypass? You guessed it, Argentina. Each time you use a pen? Also Argentina. Our current scientists are also top notch. Just to name an example, Celeste Saulo, Secretary-General of the World Meteorological Organization. Most nobel prizes in south america? Also argentina, with 5 of them.

    Are current times complicated? Yes. Will we get up? Yes, we always do.

    Vamos Argentina carajo ✊

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    (some specific type of syringe, not all syringes)

    pen - 1930

    bypass - 1970

    last Nobel prize - 1984

    So as I said, not much beyond football in the last 40 years. I wish you all the best but seriously, no one is envious.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    Yet they are still used everywhere today. Worry not, Argentina will rise again.

    Quick question, where do you think spain would be without all of the gold they stole from America and if they weren't in the EU?

    You also didn't answer my other question, if there is nothing spaniards like from Argentina, why are lots of our grandparents immigrants and why are there 544.000 spanish immigrants right now? There are literally more spaniards in argentina than argentinians in spain.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    You also didn’t answer my other question, if there is nothing spaniards like from Argentina, why are lots of our grandparents immigrants and why are there 544.000 spanish immigrants right now?

    Because about 90 years ago there was a civil war in Spain and couple of other big wars in Europe. After the war Spain was in a bad state, similar to how Argentina is today, and a lot of people emigrated looking for better life. Argentina was a popular destination because it was culturally similar and people spoke the same language. It was also more stable and welcoming to immigrants as it was looking for people to colonize it's empty land. Isn't that obvious?

    Quick question, where do you think spain would be without all of the gold they stole from America and if they weren’t in the EU?

    Why not go back even further? Where would Spain be if it didn't join the Roman Empire? I'm talking about the last 40 years and you keep bringing up ancient history. It just confirms you really don't have nothing to be proud of in the last decades. Nothing other than football. I'm not saying it to make fun of Argentina. It's just facts. If you really think Europeans are envious of it you're delusional. And no amount of facts will cure your delusions.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Nope. 544.000 is the number of immigrants today, not 90 years ago. Care to try again?

    Why not go back even further?

    Because it doesn't make sense? I'm talking historically recent events that are very closely related to the current state of the world. It's been barely 10 generations since Argentina gained its independence.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I’m talking historically recent events

    Nothing you mentioned (other than football) is recent. If you can't figure out why people that emigrated couple of decades ago are still there I can't help you.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Nothing you mentioned (other than football) is recent.

    Recent =/= historically recent.

    If you can't figure out why people that emigrated couple of decades ago are still there I can't help you.

    My man, someone that immigrated 90 years ago would most likely be over a 100 years old. Does it really hurt that much that over half a million spaniards chose Argentina over Spain?

    Don't be so obtuse. I don't want to use the G word.

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    I inow what that law is, I don't need to look it up. You're right though, it's far lower and that makes sense.

    Saying that argentinians would "die" to immigrate to spain is a big stretch though. Argentinians usually pick spain because of the language and cultural similarities. However, I feel that Italians are far nicer and share even more culture with us. If we judge just the country, Spain and Italy are far from the best in the region. They aren't in Argentina's situation simply because they're in the EU.

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