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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't that promoting colonialism?

    Opposing would be free Malvinas or something like that.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Opposing would be free Malvinas or something like that.

    The native population of the Falklands is arguably the British people living there. Who have clearly stated their preference to remain part of Britain. While Argentina's plan to displace and deport them, and replace them with Argentinians, is literally genocide and colonialism.

    Respecting the native inhabitants' wishes is anti-colonialism.

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  • [–] 81 points 3 months ago (44 children)

    Please explain to me how this is opposing colonialism? They want to colonise the Falklands themselves.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Ah, yes, the fact that prehistoric Fuegians may have visited the Falklands surely means they're the birthright of Argentina. Airtight anti-colonialist explanation.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Literally no one was there when France landed there, so you can either a) ask France and Spain for their thoughts, b) resurrect the Fuegians who visited and let them have it, forcibly deporting the people who've lived there for centuries, or c) disregard pragmatism and say they aren't part of any country – either way, you can stop obnoxiously trying to defend Argentina's baseless colonialist claim under the guise of "anticolonialism".

    To the extent it belongs to anyone, it obviously belongs to the UK far more than it does to the asshurt losers who flaccidly tried and utterly failed to assert sovereignty over it.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    So if no land belongs to anyone, the only people who’s opinion should count are the people actually fucking living there, no? Who want, pretty much universally, to remain under uk rule. Who owns the bit of rock is far less important than the thoughts of the population that live there. And they think “fuck off argentina”

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Does Argentina belong to the Spanish? Why do you think Argentina should take them? Who lived in Argentina before the Spanish came? Who lived in the Falkland islands, nobody.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Really? Who were they? Is there any evidence whatsoever to back this claim up?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We're talking about the Falkland islands, Argentina wasn't colonised by the British.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    The post you replied to explicitly says Argentina when mentioning the indigenous population, not the Falkland Islands. Btw there is proof that while the islands were not populated at the time the British came, they were used as camping and hunting grounds by indigenous people in the past.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    They've belonged to them for over 200 years, I don't see why they don't.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You've still not explained why Argentina should be allowed to colonise it and Britain shouldnt.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    But if the islands were empty before? Like there's islands who have thousands of years of history of people living there. But then there's also those who just doesn't. Are they supposed to stay empty? All humans always bad, or something?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    You have to be one of the dumbest people I've ever interacted with on this platform, and that's genuinely saying something.

    You're completely unable to make a coherent case for your beliefs, and all your arguments basically amount to "it just is"

    Good luck with life, I guess.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    The British suck but not literally everything they do is an invasion. And there were other Europeans there when they first arrived, not Argentinians.

    Both Spain and France and UK each have stronger claims than Argentina.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Let's recap islands history:

    Deserted, no permanent population.

    French set up a settlement.

    English makes another, fight the French.

    Spain buys French port, fights British.

    Britain leaves.

    Spain leaves.

    Deserted, no permanent population.

    Argentina sets up a settlement.

    England comes back, fight them off.

    Conclusion: "rightfully British"? The law seems to be whoever smacks the other in the teeth and takes it by force, so I suppose that's accurate.

    However, having had a settlement in the island, Argentina's claim is as valid as the UKs, and they just got smacked in the teeth so my verdict is that Argentina takes over administrative control over the Islands up until such time as they meet again in a world cup.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    What no, I'm talking of the 1830s. The British came back and expelled the Argentinian settlement, and settled back in.

    They came back because the Argentinians occupied it.

    I see two different reasons for a claim for Argentina: that they settled when there was no permanent occupation, like the French and the British did originally, and that they inherited Spain's claim (who purchased the French settlement) following their independence from Spain.

    My post was mostly going for humour, but if we're looking at it a bit seriously, England's claim is a colonial one, a legacy from a bygone era. They will inevitably have to cede the islands.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago

    Wait, who colonized Argentina? And wait who was first to the Falkland Islands? I genuinely don't understand why you think Argentina wanting the Falkland Islands has anything to do with opposition to colonialism.

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  • [–] 91 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    You are aware that the first inhabitants of the Falklands were French? There was nobody to be colonised.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah they colonised some penguins... Got em

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    It can't be both a traffic stop and a home.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How do you know if it's pre-historic..?

    Who were these pre historic natives, and how did they manage to get there without boats?

    Did you graduate from any form of schooling?

    Are you mistaking penguins for humans

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    That 2021 Hamley paper is total guesswork, and the scientific community essentially laughed it out of the room...

    Actual archaeologists and ecologists heavily criticised the study because it lacks the absolute bare minimum required to prove human settlement:

    Zero Human Remains or Structures: In the cold, acidic peat bogs of the Falklands—which perfectly preserve organic material—they found zero human bones, zero teeth, no post holes, no tents and fuck all else.

    The Fox Myth: The authors claimed the extinct fox (the warrah) had a marine diet because humans fed it. Peer researchers immediately pointed out that 19th-century museum specimens of the fox (when humans were actively trying to wipe them out) show the exact same diet. The fox was just scavenging naturally. Which makes sense as there were penguins everywhere and it was stealing from them

    Natural Explanations: The bone piles have zero stone-tool butchery marks and were likely piled up by natural wind and wave erosion. The charcoal spikes were just natural brush fires during droughts. Nah must have been Argentinans doing it... Yep

    If you want to see how badly peer researchers dismantled this paper, you can read the formal scientific rebuttals here:

    Science Advances (Official Rebuttal): Comment on “Evidence of prehistoric human activity in the Falkland Islands” by researchers T.J. Clark, J. Newton, and E.D. Wakefield.  https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0928
    

    There is even a reply on the same webpage that calls this article out on its assumptions, did you even read the article you provided?

    It’s an incredibly weak paper trying to turn a few pieces of circumstantial ecological data into a political origin story. There is zero proof of a pre-European human footprint.

    Nice try tho - Even if it was true, they clearly left well before the Europeans arrived so who fucking cares.

    Copied text from your article, and the link I have submitted here

    Edit: Well that shut them up.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Opposing colonialism is being a sore loser now?

    Please recount to me the tales of how the Falklands war ended up going in the 1980s. I'm fascinated by your take.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Argentina supports Israel and has an ancap president. They aren't anti colonial.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Australian New Car Assessment Program? What do they have to do with this?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Anarcho-capitalist. The end state of muh free marketz morons.

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