It's not about criminality. It's comparative morality.

... Yeah, and AI datacenters being built speculatively is the same resource hoarding bullshit as high formula pricing.

Also idgaf about laws and crime, I said better and worse, right and wrong. That has nothing to do with legal, because if it did we wouldn't be having these discussions about formula or datacenters, those kind of wealth abuses would actually be illegal.

Wealth inequality is one of the worst and most pressing issues in the world today. There is nothing I consider more damaging than the growing wealth gap, especially in America. You're absolutely right about that. But once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with construction materials being stolen from AI data center construction sites.

Doesn't it though? If there weren't such rampant wealth inequality perhaps people wouldn't be so inclined towards a life of crime. It has at least a little bit to do with it.

You can do all the moral finger-pointing you want. The moment you start selectively deciding who is and isn’t a thief is the moment the justice system starts breaking down.

It broke down long ago. You care more about copper in a techbro's plagiarism machine than you do about all the wage theft ever.

The moment you start selectively deciding who is and isn’t a thief is the moment the justice system starts breaking down.

Isn't this exactly what a jury of your peers is intended for? So people - the members of the affected community - can decide who is and isn't a thief, after ensuring they're provided with all the facts of the case?

You don't think AI eliminating vast swaths of jobs and exasperating the wealth inequality that's starving the economy has anything to do with an increase in poor and desperate people willing to resort to crime to surive? You do realise that data centers and AI are directly dependent, yes? That conclusion is just burying your head in the sand. Let's not forget who started the moral finger wagging here, pointing to one crime while blinding themselves to another for whatever the irrational reasoning is. Like this particular crime is just happening in a vacuum, and AI isn't infiltrating every aspect of society by design. What's it like to be that selective?

"no copyright infringement has been found to have occurred in the training of flagship AI models" I'm just not going to engage with this level of disingenuous assertion, you're either deluded or you're a liar.

I'm okay with not meeting your strict black and white standard of morality. In fact, I find it immoral. "You stole bread because you were starving?? You're EVIL!!"

Theft is too vague to be given a blanket right/wrong verdict for all situations.
Failure to recognise nuance is morally inept.

We have courts and juries specifically because morality is not a hard rule.

Not a fan of Robin Hood, then?

How can you "admonish Lemmy"? Accusing individuals of hypocrisy or being two-faced would require you to understand the moral framework they're coming from. A lot of them probably have something similar to what I described.

I explained how the data centers differ from the actual human beings you pretend that you don't hate.

You do not get to have a moral framework that changes depending on who benefits from the outcome.

I do, though, is the thing. As does all of society. We always have and we always will. And you're lying to yourself if you think you don't take advantage of that flexibility yourself.

it would still be murder unless there was a legitimate justification for doing so. The morality of an action cannot be determined solely by how much we dislike the target.

So in other words.. There's nuance. It's not just how much we dislike the target, there's other stuff to consider too. We need

Context 😲

Luigi Mangione murdered the CEO of United healthcare. That is not up for debate.

Actually, it is. That's what the whole, y'know, trial and "innocent until proven guilty" thing is about.

Do not bring up how deep fourteen year olds are around me. This is not what I need to be thinking about in my new Mormon life.