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Funny how religious people can say anything to your face but any retort back is religious prosecution (discuss.online)
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[+] -11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It might be an unpopular opinion, but a lot of queer folk are as clueless about Christianity (and religion more broadly) as religious people are about transgenderism (and LGBT more broadly).

Christianity, and other religions, are considerably more complex than people who read nothing about them think. Just like trans people make a lot more sense when you read about it at least a little bit. Both sides are guilty of being incredibly ignorant and uninformed.

That said, however, only one of those sides is actively pursuing removal of the other one from existence. So there's that.

Also, remember that the Church has little to do with the religion itself. Hell, the Church is literally the people who crucified Jesus. It doesn't get more ironic than that. The Church fulfills the same function for religion as the government does for society. You can fill in the rest yourself.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "Actually the books say this and not that" has zero relevance to what people actually do to others, so queer people are absolutely in the right to be wary of religious people, because religious people are those most likely to harass them, even if it means they didn't read their own book. That's not ignorance on the part of queer people, that's doubly on the part of religious people who are also ignorant about what queer people might do to them.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I can agree with that, but I feel like it's a different issue than the one I brought up.

    It absolutely makes sense for queer people to be wary of religious people. Regardless of specific circumstances - chances are they're not going to be besties. This part is fairly clear.

    I was just referring to the debates, who is right, arguments used, and so on. This may not matter to many people, and it's alright. I just like to look at motivations and reasons.

    Also, no offence, but the quote "Actually the books say this and not that" is, actually, a near perfect example of the ignorance I mentioned. Unless satirical, which it may very well be. I can't always tell.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Also, no offence, but the quote "Actually the books say this and not that" is, actually, a near perfect example of the ignorance I mentioned.

    That's my point. The people who are ignorant of what those books say are the religious people, not the queer people who are targeted. You can easily find atheists who know a lot more about the Bible than religious people, often because religious people will force atheists to debate what the books say, when they themselves don't know what their book says, and atheists end up having to do all the research to prove them wrong. It's the old joke "how do you become an atheist? By reading the Bible."

    Not to mention that in the first place, queer people and atheists not knowing what the Bible says is completely fine, they're not at fault of anything, it's not their job to know and educate religious people. It doesn't matter to them what it says - only that religious people persecute them by claiming their book tells them to.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Apologetic nonsense.

    Do better.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago

    It's not apologetic. I'm not trying to make excuses for or defend either side. Not my job, don't care.

    I'm just explaining something most people don't get, as someone who both supports trans rights, and has read the Bible, as well as studied theology. Unfortunately not in uni, because my local Church wouldn't let me (yes, it does have that kind of power thanks to insane pro-Church laws).

    The vast majority of people are informed about/educated in either religion or the LGBT movement. Almost never in both. You don't have to be a genius to see that this is problematic. It leads to a lot of misunderstandings and pointless, endless arguments. This is the most basic shit you learn in your first semester of any humanities major.

    The point I'm trying to nail down is: both sides are calling each other stupid and ignorant, among others. Both sides are guilty of being stupid and ignorant. Especially ignorant. You can't expect someone to listen to you without listening to them as well. Again - the most basic stuff ever.

    Of course, in the case of religious zealots vs queer people, the two sides aren't equally at fault. Queer people just want to live their lives in peace, and that's not even up for debate. However, when they start criticizing religions - they're almost always plain wrong. Just like religious people are almost always wrong about gays, transgenders, and so on.

    If you really feel the need to argue with people and act like you're intellectually superior - educate yourself first. Otherwise you look like a moron, regardless of which side you're on.

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