▲ 169 ▼ The traditional suburban street design of winding roads and cul-de-sacs is just as responsible for U.S. car dependency as the distances created by sprawl, according to new Yale research. (environment.yale.edu) submitted 4 months ago by Valuy@lemmy.zip to c/science@lemmy.world 35 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) We still have legs. It's not that hard to walk 400m. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) But it is harder and takes longer than walking 200 meters. Your trip time is the door to door time not the time it takes transit to get there. People generally consider 30 minutes the maximum reasonable commute. 5 minutes of walking, 5 minutes waiting for the bus, then 5 minutes on the other end, and we have already used half of our time before we even got on the bus! This doesn't allow time for a transfer. While some of my numbers are a little high, they are not unreasonable and they add up why people often say transit is useless even when exists. In turn thinking about what can be done to reduce those numbers is important - but often they increase something else by even more since there are so many compromises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago I'd rather take the extra 2 minute walk out of my neighborhood than live in a street with bus traffic. There are things to be fixed. The grocery store is a 15 minute walk (one way) IF I trespass through a neighbor's yard and hop a large fence. So instead it's half an hour each way. There is no public transit to speak of here, cul-de-sac or not. I just think this anti cul-de-sac take is extreme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] elephantium@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) There's a tradeoff though. I used to take the bus to work. 20-25 minute drive, about 45-50 by bus with 1 transfer. I would bring a book and turn commute time into reading time. It really made it worth the extra time. I do think there's a limit. Double the time is fine, given that you can relax. More than double starts to feel like too much of a time sink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago I get carsick when I read on the bus. So that doesn't apply to me. I also have a family that time at work or on the bus is taking away from. If it works for you great, but it doesn't for everybody. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) But it is harder and takes longer than walking 200 meters. Your trip time is the door to door time not the time it takes transit to get there. People generally consider 30 minutes the maximum reasonable commute. 5 minutes of walking, 5 minutes waiting for the bus, then 5 minutes on the other end, and we have already used half of our time before we even got on the bus! This doesn't allow time for a transfer. While some of my numbers are a little high, they are not unreasonable and they add up why people often say transit is useless even when exists. In turn thinking about what can be done to reduce those numbers is important - but often they increase something else by even more since there are so many compromises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago I'd rather take the extra 2 minute walk out of my neighborhood than live in a street with bus traffic. There are things to be fixed. The grocery store is a 15 minute walk (one way) IF I trespass through a neighbor's yard and hop a large fence. So instead it's half an hour each way. There is no public transit to speak of here, cul-de-sac or not. I just think this anti cul-de-sac take is extreme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] elephantium@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) There's a tradeoff though. I used to take the bus to work. 20-25 minute drive, about 45-50 by bus with 1 transfer. I would bring a book and turn commute time into reading time. It really made it worth the extra time. I do think there's a limit. Double the time is fine, given that you can relax. More than double starts to feel like too much of a time sink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago I get carsick when I read on the bus. So that doesn't apply to me. I also have a family that time at work or on the bus is taking away from. If it works for you great, but it doesn't for everybody. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago I'd rather take the extra 2 minute walk out of my neighborhood than live in a street with bus traffic. There are things to be fixed. The grocery store is a 15 minute walk (one way) IF I trespass through a neighbor's yard and hop a large fence. So instead it's half an hour each way. There is no public transit to speak of here, cul-de-sac or not. I just think this anti cul-de-sac take is extreme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) There's a tradeoff though. I used to take the bus to work. 20-25 minute drive, about 45-50 by bus with 1 transfer. I would bring a book and turn commute time into reading time. It really made it worth the extra time. I do think there's a limit. Double the time is fine, given that you can relax. More than double starts to feel like too much of a time sink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago I get carsick when I read on the bus. So that doesn't apply to me. I also have a family that time at work or on the bus is taking away from. If it works for you great, but it doesn't for everybody. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 4 months ago I get carsick when I read on the bus. So that doesn't apply to me. I also have a family that time at work or on the bus is taking away from. If it works for you great, but it doesn't for everybody. permalink fedilink source parent