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[+] 21 points 4 months ago (27 children)
  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    No. It will happen when you stop going to restaurants that underpay their workers. Patronizing those establishments and not tipping is just punishing the worker while rewarding the business. Business owners will not change unless you hit them in the wallet.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Restaurants that do not provide table service (such as fast casual chains) do not rely on tipped workers, but I am not sure those workers do any better than workers who live on tips.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Correct, and that's the rub. Tipped workers don't want to change the system, because by and large they are far better off with tips than simply a minimum wage (or even prevailing minimum wage for an area). So realistically the only way to end it is to get rid of tipped wages in general, raise the minimum wage, and for people to stop going to places that ask for tips to pay for their workers.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I agree it would suck for the workers in the mean time, but I think the labour market would adapt pretty quickly if servers actually started making $3/hour. No one would want to be a server and restaurants would be forced to pay competitively if they expect to hire anyone.

    I think stopping patronizing those restaurants altogether doesn't send any clear message about why it's happening. Maybe combined with some large-scale public campaign, but on its own it wouldn't achieve too much.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    They could skip all of the "quit en masse to force an entire industry to change" (which would never happen, by the way, as many tipped workers in the US will tell you that they want it to be like that), and just unionize instead.

    Maybe then it could be done without putting millions of people out of work for an unknown period of time.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, they would be making the legal minimum wage in their area since their tipped wage does not meet or exceed minimum wage per hours worked. Still not a liveable wage, especially considering the amount of unclocked labor that occurs in the food service industry.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    No, if you stop tipping the servers just get paid less and the owners feel nothing for not paying them a fair wage. If you really want to make a change, don't eat out any place that makes you tip, if you have ever seen a tip jar or a tip screen, don't go there. That is how you vote with your wallet, you don't make the workers subsidize your food and not tip.

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  • [+] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    That will only happen when we stop tipping

    Don't tip, but also don't think your not tipping is going to change anything except that the people who work as servers who might have liked now think you are an a-hole. I am sure you don't care about this either, also fine, you don't have to care about any other person, place or thing, the world will go on.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    In everywhere but USA, yes.

    In the USA - No, that will just make servers go hungry.

    The fix is to change tax law. The reason tipping is so big a deal there is that tax law is FUCKED, servers are taxed as if they were tipped, regardless of whether or not they were. Literally no other country does this.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    The fix is to raise the minimum wage. Servers are exempt from most minimum wage laws because the restaurant lobby has carved out that exemption, in the assumption that tips will make up the difference.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It won't make the server go hungry. It will force them to look for a different job.

    So then nobody wants to serve anymore and restaurants will be forced to fix the broken system.

    No tipping anywhere, especially in the US.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Tipped workers represent 5 million+ workers in the US. While yes, ending tipping is important, probably better ways like raising minimum wages and getting rid of 'tipped wages' would work to end tipping rather than just telling 5 million people they need to find different work.

    But if you talk to the majority of tipped workers, they don't want to change the system, which is likely a far larger hurdle compared to diner preferences.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I mean, it's not fiction if we all want things to change. I don't think I will stop tipping those who can't afford to not be tipped, but you do you. I'd say the better solution for someone like yourself is to stop going to those places to begin with if you are that against 'tipping'.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No one is forced to work as a server. If the job can't pay a living wage, don't take it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No one is forced to work picking fruit/mopping floors/trading their life in a mine, if the job can't pay a living wage, don't take it?

    Can you explain what motivates people to work horrible, underpaid, poverty jobs? I'm confused because I thought people didn't like working some jobs, were not paid enough to live working some jobs, and yet had to work them anyway or they would die. I was under the understanding that this has been going on for untold generations.

    Why do they do this if they can just "don't take" those jobs? Maybe you can fix this horrible situation we've all be confused about for centuries?πŸ₯°

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