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There is no pro capitalist left (lemmy.ml)
submitted 4 months ago by [A] to c/mop
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[–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Now you're mixing parties with governments. The former can be (see social democrats) while the latter is harder to analyze given that they are mostly coalitions.

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  • [–] [S, A] 21 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Governments parties coalitions whatever, if you are capitalist you are not left.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Similarly, If I shit and take a shower after, I’m still not clean!

    Sarcasm aside, this sentiment is oozing subjective interpretation mistaken for objective fact. Political views (like more or less any other opinions) are far more complicated than just: “if you are this one thing, you cannot be this other thing.”

    You can be fiscally right-leaning and socially left-leaning, as well as the other way around. Likewise, as painful as it may be to hear, capitalism is not mutually exclusive with leftism. By the logic of your opinion, Mamdani isn’t left-leaning either, because he’s still participating in and thereby protecting the capitalist systems of the US. It’s just a silly way of thinking.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    You can be fiscally right-leaning and socially left-leaning, as well as the other way around.

    No, you actually cannot logically be for the oppression of people and against the oppression of people. Being economically right wing and 'socially' left wing means you're completely fine with gay slaves but if someone suggests getting rid of slavery you're going to shoot them..

    Likewise, as painful as it may be to hear, capitalism is not mutually exclusive with leftism.

    It is, by definition. There is no possible radical change position that keep capitalism at this point in time. Every variation of capitalism has been tried and has failed.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    You can dislike (like I do) social democrats without clinging to them somehow not being left, plenty of more coherent leftists out there to support instead. Still doesn't nullify that they've made the capitalist hellscape slightly better and "more left" here and there. The world ain't as simple as your simple brain wishes it was.

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