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Burning Gas Pollutes So Much, Dirty EV Battery Manufacturing Evens Out In About 2 Years (www.jalopnik.com)
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[–] -4 points 4 months ago (17 children)

I keep hearing this and the opposite

What about different battery types? Those with/without kobolt for example

Also manufacuring might be done differently in different places.. wonder how much pollution renaults batteries do (made in france) compared to those made in asia

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I keep hearing this and the opposite

    Any sources I can read?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Nowhere in that article does it state or even hint that ICE vehicles pollute less or are more efficient than EV's or even PHEV's. If I missed something, feel free to link directly to the line/paragraph, by selecting the text and clicking "Copy link to highlight": Example:

    In most locations, BEVs save 40%–60% of emissions compared to ICEVs, though these values can vary substantially at the extremes (0–4700 kgCO2eq yr−1 or 0%–82%).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Batteries can have their materials 99.9% reclaimed. No need to keep mining after a certain point.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not trying to inject FUD, but don’t some recycled materials wear out? I believe paper products do

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Paper is an organic material with structure. Recycling damages that structure when actually you want to preserve it as much as you can. At some point you need a tree to grow to put that organic structure in place.

    Batteries have human made structures constructed from pure materials. Battery recycling completely shreds the batteries and then mechanically & chemically separates the materials giving you the pure copper, gold, aluminium, cobalt, zinc, etc back. You're then back to step 1 of the manufacture except you didn't mine your raw materials.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Unfortunately, even if their batteries are 100% EU made from raw materials, their cars still suck ass compared to everyone but Dacia (worse) and Peugeot/Citroen (same level).

    But isn't Renault just assembling the cells into larger packs in France, with the actual single cells manufactured elsewhere?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    their cars still suck ass

    Compared to what?

    And says who? Renault 5 is pretty awesome. I know someone with a dacia spring who absolutely loves it. What about VW's EVs? BWM/Audi/Merc?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Compared to many others in the same price range that I've tried. It's marginally worse than VW ID3 AND ID4 which also aren't a joy to drive. Personally I've found KIA and Hyundai the best budget options for EV, at least the ones I've tried. I tried the megane etech and it was absolutely horrible. The entire car interface was a shitshow, the driving felt awkward and disconnected, and their charging and BMS seems laughable compared to other new models.

    The Dacia is just a fucking death trap, some of the lowest EURO-NCAP scores in a long time, along with other Renault models.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The Dacia is just a fucking death trap, some of the lowest EURO-NCAP scores in a long time, along with other Renault models.

    As a former owner of a dacia spring I have to say I disagree.

    And I say former because mine was totalled during a car crash that people say it was a miracle I could survive it, let alone walk out of the car by myself.

    I was in a highway, there was a traffic jam and all the cars were still in their lane. I was the last one to arrive so my car was the last one in line. Behind me arrived a semi-trailer at 90kmph that, according to the police report, was "driving distracted". So distracted that he didn't see the cars in line and hit me at almost full speed. My car was overturned and ended completely destroyed, but the cockpit didn't deform and all the airbags worked, so I just got 4 broken ribs and a broken vertebrae that fortunately didn't touch the spinal cord.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    In a car with better safety you probably would have sustained fewer or less severe injuries. There's also a heavy dose of survivorship bias in your story.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, if I had a €60k car, I probably would have sustained less injuries, but I had a 15k city car because that's what I could afford. And because this kind of car wasn't probably designed to withstand a semi-trailer impact at 80-90kph. Yet it did, I've seen people in similar city cars and even bigger ones get wrecked way worse than me with just another car.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Yeah I agree, Kia and Hyundai make better cars full-stop.

    I've never been a fan of Renault but the Renault 5 has turned my head. Regardless of my minor gripes with Renault/Stellantis I'd rather one of their cars over a Tesla or something Chinese.

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