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[–] 22 points 5 months ago* (47 children)

Why is it that people who present themselves as morally superior often seem the least willing to forgive? Some would rather support establishment figures like Susan Collins or Janet Mills, politicians they view as helping sustain the policies and military interventions that created the problem in the first place, than support a former mercenary who ultimately turned against that system. It seems strange to condemn someone for what they once were while giving a pass to the institutions and leaders that continue to benefit from the same machinery.

That type of behavior benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. When the hell will we ever get shit done, if you cannot forgive or accept the people that are closest to the core of the system and have decided to help us? All you have to do is keep an eye on them. I'm not saying you should "blindly" support Platner, you should watch every single one of his moves to confirm he didn't lie. Zohran Mandami has delivered so far, and people had a similar level of skepticism, but it was worse, because they hated him for being muslim, so.

If their only argument is the Nazi tattoo, that's sad. It's a very silly one. The point is that you genuinely think people can't change, and that is really dangerous. And no, I'd not have these standards for people like Trump or similar, because they are already very old and adamant about who they truly are. Platner was a victim of this system, American Exceptionalism and American Imperialism (both still prevalent here in Lemmy; leftists who still want the USA to be the World Police, to intervene everywhere because they think they are Humanity's smartest and best choice or whatever "heroic" Main Protagonist Syndrome nonsense they carry) propaganda, and at least Platner is teaching all those around him to wake up. I prefer that over the other choices, why won't other people?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (37 children)

    Because the GOP likes to run Republicans as Democrats, I absolutely judge a book by its cover. He has a history of controversy aside from the Nazi tattoo. If Platner wins, I wanna revisit this comment in a few years to see if another Fetterman was born.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    This. It’s this simple. Fool me once… shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me every election…? Now come on that seems like some people are in on something…

    This isn’t my fight, but Dems in Maine couldn’t do better than a guy with a Nazi tattoo? Says a fucking lot.

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  • [+] 4 points 5 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Platner is literally a trust fund wanna be tough guy

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Fetterman had a stroke and the Establishment dems still decided to run him instead of literally anyone else.

    Fetterman isn't progressive populist's baggage, he is the Establishment's fault. This comparison is a non-sequitur every time it is brought up in relation to Graham.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (30 children)

    Except it isn't a Nazi tattoo and you literally can't cite anything that actually happened and actually means something.

    You are literally parroting right-wing propaganda, ya fuckin potato.

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    You didn't even know what that even was until a few months ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's how you know these "outraged" guys are full of shit.

    Fuckers couldn't have identified the problem tattoo out of a multiple choice exam, but they're BIG MAD with their dumb fucking feelings about it now.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    And "well if I had a tattoo, I'd figure out its meaning". It's not an esoteric mystical design. Why would you ever think it had a special meaning? It's a skull and crossbones.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    I did not know about this specific SS department. But I was well aware of a general fact that Nazis wore skulls like that on their uniforms since I was a teenager, and I’m surprised to hear anyone had never heard this.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    LOL get the fuck out of here.

    You know damn well you wouldn't have picked that tattoo out of a lineup, and now you're pretending you're some fucking expert on Nazi iconography?

    Good lord. Go be a Republican if you're going to be this way. We don't need you.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I would think 95 people out of 100 could very easily pick a Nazi uniform skull out of a lineup of other skulls, and I am really surprised that you are so surprised.

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    How old are you, out of curiosity? Were you not around when everyone’s living grandfathers were WWII vets? Maybe the younger generations do not know this. But I assure you, it used to be very widespread knowledge.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    I am closer to retirement than I am to college and my grandfather, who is literally my hero, killed Nazis in France and Germany. His father's body carried shrapnel from the first time Germany got unruly. The shrapnel was too close to his spine to remove it.

    When I sit here laughing in disgust at the slander thrown toward Platner, it's not from a place of ignorance about the topic. I'm pissed because I understand what the Nazis were, and it dishonors the sacrifices, lives, and deaths of hundreds of millions of people to pretend Platner is one of them.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Ok, so you’ve been around a while. How many people in your many years have you seen with that particular skull tattooed on them? Is this a common sighting in your experience?

    Edit: I’m in my mid 40s and that number for me is zero. Also I would add that if Platner said “I was young and stupid and I regret it” I would find that a lot more respectable. But I’m not in Maine so my opinion really does not matter here.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    He's not one of them. He's just like them.

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    And none of that proves a 20-something kid had any idea what the fuck that was. Why would you? It's not a Nazi emblem. It doesn't look like anything out of a history book or a fucking Nazi documentary.

    But by all means, continue to be a ridiculous pedant about shit that does not matter.

    If you honestly are concerned about this, you're a fucking ridiculous person and we don't need to listen to you.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Please learn how to comminicate without so much hostility when none was directed at you.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    "Please be less hostile as I slander and libel a politician because years ago, he got a tattoo that even I wouldn't have recognized as a problem"

    I mean Christ, how about you stop slandering good people over shit you just learned was a problem like five minutes ago?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    "good people"

    Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience.

    (In response to a high school student asking why people joined the marines; likely a target of the US military's child grooming)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I'd rather have 100 of him over any of you lying, lazy bastards.

    And I don't really give a shit about the opinion of a literal Chinese propagandist. GTFO here with that.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I guess some people believe the US can become a social democrat country the day after the next midterms, and won't settle for less than perfect candidates.

    I've said this elsewhere, but if the left is so obsessed with purity tests, fascism will win. Your in the US for crisssake, don't be too picky choosing your allies...

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Do better with your candidates. You should feel ashamed to lose to Donald fucking Trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This is the better candidate. Of the options, he was the one saying “tax the ritch”, “Israel is committing genocide” and “Medicare for all”.

    Both centrists democrats and republicans are terrified of him and digging up anything they can and running disinfo campaigns to discredit him.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Is wanton murder of civilians in their own country a forgivable offense to you?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Exactly. This is exactly what I mean: people like you.

    If that was a comment he made out of anger, I am more disappointed in you, for not being able to or at least try to see why he said that. You're the kind of destructive person who rather forget than forgive.

    This is the same shit MAGAs do to Muslims/Arabs. They all think they hate the USA "for no good reason / because it is ingrained in them / it is genetic / they get taught as children to hate the USA" but they always gloss over, ignore or skip the "why," or don't do justice to the truth. They really think 9/11 happened just because they are "violent in nature" which is such a dangerous and massive Nazi eugenicist talking point.

    He obviously does not want that, dude. If anything, you are only showing me why he probably said that, and it's because you keep disappointing Humanity with your racism, your excessive narcissism and the moral purity tests you do on everyone... I have personally said much WORSE, because I keep seeing my family die thanks to USA's influence on Mexico and also the Middle East. My grand-grandpa was a Lebanese who escaped to Mexico, because Lebanon was being shelled by Israel and the USA a century ago. Now, in Mexico, we have a War on Drugs that kills 30,000 of us every year; a war on drugs that was forced upon us by Reagan and Nixon, and now the cartel is armed to the teeth with American weapons, our army isn't, oddly enough, and their most profittable customer is the USA. It keeps us in fear, poor, terrorized, which makes us work for you for low wages, aka cheap labor for you, hence the reason you have us like this with a smile on your face.

    And then I see you elect Trump twice, and self-called liberals like you commenting shit like this instead of focusing on the important stuff... Yeah, no. You lack passion and conviction for what you believe.

    By the way, if you're American, you paid for all that with your taxes (and if you're not, you did it with your words), and you probably still do. You're the one actually killing your own civilians, even if non-American. This system is global. It's ironic, you probably can't see it yet, but it is what it is. Stop looking sideways, look up.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I don't give a fuck what you are or aren't disappointed in.

    I'm not American, dumbass. Death to America.

    I'm certainly not a liberal, and I'm offended you even thought that.

    You lack passion and conviction for what you believe.

    You should read my comment history, amigo.

    Congrats on the free healthcare.

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