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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Why does someone likely in their 40's need to give someone a chance, particularly someone that thoughtless?

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago*

    I'd say she already gave him a chance - she said "yes," after all. He was so close, he just needed to use his own brain and put a little personal effort into planning the date. He could've even been honest about not knowing what to do and said something like, "I'd like to have some of your input to make our plans. I was thinking of a movie, but there's a museum not far from me. The park's really nice this time of year, too, if you'd prefer to be outdoors. Do any of those sound good to you? Do you have any ideas to add?"

    I mean, that's what I'd do. It's not hard to think of things if you know a person a bit, but if you don't know them well enough yet to know what they'd like, that's okay too! Make it clear you want something you'd both enjoy and turn it into a discussion. No AI is going to know what she likes better than she does, so just go to the source.

    And if that's too much effort, then perhaps dating in itself would be too much effort.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'll just say that dating changes as you age

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  • [–] 140 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    To me, someone who doesn't even care about planning something as simple as a date, it's an indicator they won't care about most thing in the relationship and will try to ChatGPT their problems away.

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I mean, the parameters for a first date are generally pretty simple and low-key. It's generally type-of-food (lunch, dinner, coffee) plus type-of-activity (walk, movie, game-of-some-sort (bowling, axe throwing, whatever)). They're using AI to accomplish a pretty simple task. Which means they're also likely to offload harder tasks as well. I am not your mom, your secretary, your PA, your maid, your cook, your housekeeper, your personal shopper, etc, etc.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yes but the purpose of the date isn't just to go through the motions of a typical date. It's to get to know each other. I expect a person to suggest a place they like, and that tells me something useful and opens the conversation.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    It says they're adventurous and it says what sort of things (at least food wise) interest them. It also potentially indicates a vibe. "Hey, I've been hearing that an izakaya style place opened up, and I don't think you can go wrong with beer and fried food, you want to try it out?" Compared to "I've heard really good things about Ethiopian food, but I've never had it. Want to be adventurous?" Or "Let's grab a coffee. Here I'll look up small coffee shops a reasonable distance from both of us." Or even "Do you like Mexican food? I'll see what options are nearby."

    All of them say different things about the person and all of them are great ways to propose a plan for a date

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If they need assistance with something that simple, then she successfully dodged a bullet.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    AI is a little different than coke vs Pepsi dude but sure.

    There are for sure things where you can know you’re not compatible with someone and being dependent on AI can be a pretty big flag. It’s not her job to fix him just so he’d dateable.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Nah, now he knows for next time. The point of a relationship is to get to know the other person, not the soulless imitation of whatever bullshit this program scraped off the internet.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (23 children)

    If someone needs/wants to use AI to do extremely simple things like plan their date activities, that's a good indication that they are an exceedingly uninteresting and unengaging person overall. They can't even do the simple things, so the hard stuff in life is going to be insurmountable and they'll be a massive burden on their friends and partner(s).

    Where's the incentive to "give them a chance" in this scenario? The books at home are the better option by far.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    This reminds me of when I was a teenager, spending time chatting with multiple people simultaneously on MSN Messenger and AIM (man, how did I manage that?)

    There were some people who'd just say, "I'm bored." That's it. I never knew how to respond. I usually said something like, "Oh, that sucks." But their conversations never went anywhere besides complaining about boredom, so I usually stopped talking pretty quick. I get the impression they were just looking to have me entertain them somehow, despite putting no effort into making it worth my while. Bruh, I'm having three other conversations about fascinating topics, catching up with a friend living in another continent, and participating in a group RPG, all without anybody whining that they can't think of something to do. Step up or step out, your boredom isn't my problem.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    A huge portion of the apps is just that. And I get it it's awkward and it can be boring having the same conversation over and over. I sometimes am guilty of it too.

    But I suspect a lot of people don't really actively engage with stuff enough to be able to be interesting. I've seen people blame consumptive hobbies (as opposed to productive ones), but hell tell me about the TV show you've been watching or the video game you've been playing. If you're consuming it in a critical manner you can say "well I really like what they did with the villain here, it really touches on the theme of [x], though I think sometimes the messaging is inconsistent". Or "Oh yeah I really love these mechanics, it's been fun watching the series evolve". Fucking hell tell me what you think about a YouTube video you recently watched. I think some people basically disassociate into entertainment.

    But yeah chatting without a prompt can be difficult, especially when not face to face. Getting to face to face relatively quickly is something I generally recommend people do while on the apps to minimize it. But also like, actually interact with life and the other person.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    It's kind of hand in hand with our age of glut. Take Netflix for example, I can sit there for an hour, not actually watch anything, and just endlessly scroll through stuff, because there's too much. Its the same with these dating app things, like people cease to be people and instead are just menus and choices and things essentially. It's turned us all (myself included) into vapid empty beings. I just don't think we are meant to be as connected with each other, as we are today. I don't think it's healthy for our long term prosperity.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I never had many friends to do interesting things with. I talked to people online when it was still new and shiny, and I was a teenager, with the energy to socialize in a way I sure can't today. It was a different world - sometimes people would make a group MSN chat with a number of people and we'd just get to know each other through those mutual friends, who lived all around the world. Rarely did I have a group in person to do things with. I spent a lot of time alone, cultivating my own interests and skills. I didn't "shun" anyone, I just had to choose how to spend my limited time and energy after school. Would you rather talk with someone that responds to your ideas and thoughtfully considers them, or someone who brushes everything off just to come back to saying, "I'm bored" no matter how much you try to engage them?

    It's also strange to categorize what I said as a "rant." I was reminded of something from the past and I mentioned it in a comment that was along the same lines, remembering how I felt about it at the time. That's hardly a rant.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I understand, I see that you had no bad intentions. As an asocial and regularly bored kid myself (even if not in this particular manner) it just made me sad that I might be remembered by people in a negative light even decades later

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Aww, I understand. I was an extremely awkward kid myself and have had those worries. If it helps, most people don't recall the minutiae of our uncomfortable moments, if they remember anything about them at all.

    Also, I still value the person who told me he was bored all the time. I wouldn't have kept him on my friends' list if I didn't. I don't talk to him today, but that's because of diverging life paths and the distance it creates. If we'd still lived around each other, perhaps we'd still be in contact.

    Either way, I try not to worry about what people thought of me as a teen. I've grown, they've grown (hopefully), and if they did then I imagine even they look back at their teenage selves and cringe. You're not the same person you used to be, and you should be proud of the strides you've taken to come this far. ♥️

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Honestly the listacle is a bit cringe if you're at an age where most people can be expected to have been on a few dates. There's a huge difference between searching for coffee shops/museums/whatever else in your area or even "things to do in x area" and searching for first date ideas. The former says you have a structure in mind, but you don't necessarily know the specific locations, the latter says you have no idea and didn't think the first source to ask is the person you're going on a date with.

    And as for llms vs general internet use goes? Yeah using llms is a turn off. I find the ability to write for oneself and process and analyze text for themselves important traits in a partner. What I've seen from llm users is that they often cede those skills.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    For me, I'm enough against the casual use of AI that someone who does what he did is like someone who has significantly different political views than me. AI data centers take obscene amounts of energy and water. I'm very much in favor of, for instance, machine learning applications being used to identify diseases in pathology slides. That's something that can help humanity to an extent that it's likely worth the resources. But to suggest plans for a date? That's nauseating.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's also an opportunity to take the time to explain that to someone then. Your points are all valid, don't get me wrong. But what's changed in the world, is everyone just immediately heads for their position or stance, and then feels the need to defend it like it's a blood sport. It's why we are in the state of the world that we are in, and I think it's mainly social media and really bad powerful interests that's done that to us. Only those folks win when we get like this. Explain, rationalize and get to know people, and their side. Appreciate their side and have an honest debate/conversation then. Some people are just pieces of shit, and there's no getting that to them, and I mean maybe that's the case here too even. But figure that out instead of just jumping off a cliff and assuming, right?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I personally would probably tell the other person why I'm cancelling on the date, yes.

    And while I broadly agree with your point, the fact of the matter is that we have become very polarized, to the point where often discussion is pointless. For instance, I'm just not going to bother explaining my views on trans rights or immigration to someone wearing a MAGA hat. That's an emblem of someone who has become so entrenched in views that are the opposite of mine that is not worth discussing. Likewise, I don't care to hear anything they have to say on the matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fair enough on the MAGA hat stuff. You can't rationalize with people that are that polarized. I'm not 100% sure that's the case here though, that this person would be that far gone, I mean we'd never know from the very little we do know, but hey I mean you are free to make your decisions rightfully wrongfully or otherwise. And you shouldn't feel guilty or any weight or burden for making them for the reasons that you do.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    No one has to do anything or is obligated to give someone a chance at the early level of dating implied in this image. At that point, you are interacting with someone you do not know and it is socially acceptable for either party to end things clearly if that is what feels right and comfortable for them. AI usage is not some simple ethically clean topic akin to choosing a favorite soda like you claim, and it's weird that you even tried to compare those things. Having strong opinions on that topic, or any other major controversial topic, and choosing not to engage with someone due to differing views on that topic, is fine and expected.

    You claiming dating is stupid, that you feel defensive about it and have to be on edge, and then victim blaming the woman in this scenario for doing nothing wrong all come to together to paint a really unhealthy picture. I sincerely hope you can work through what you have going on and, if you so choose, find someone right for you that makes the relationship feel rewarding.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Holy shit medical is one of the worst uses

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I have symapthy for it, but searching the internet is also free, and isn't a bullshit machine

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