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[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world 82 points 5 months ago (36 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 16 points 5 months ago (1 child) America has maggots growing out of its dead decomposing flesh. There's nothing left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago Flesh eating screw worms are the new maggots or so I hear permalink fedilink source parent [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 32 points 5 months ago (2 children) The most progressive communist social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive social democrat representative lately. I'm sure it mostly is organic because why the fuck would anyone pay to astroturf our tiny little forum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -17 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed? At all? There's probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist...of course there's gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting. And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* Communists tend to be critical of social democrats, considering the question of advancing to socialism or reforming capitalism is an irreconcilable schism. It's absolutely organic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (24 children) Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago Confidently wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [+] kurwa@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (18 children) I don't even understand the policy you're complaining about lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 11 points 5 months ago (17 children) i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* No dude, his proposal is a genuine recipe for disaster. I mean, disaster for Americans not for the AI companies. Do you think 50% ownership in these companies mean governance? Maybe but it's not going to stop them from spending like crazy, which they already are. Bernie is framing it as democracisation of profits, but with an impending bubble that's about to pop, it will most likely end up with democratization of losses. What's worse this also would become a very nice excuse for future bailouts as now millions of people's wealth is tied to the companies. In long term, it's going to benefit the AI companies more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it. And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don't need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago Unlike gullible libs, most ML's aren't fooled by Bernie the Sheepdog and zio whitewasher. When he parrots a plan, literally proposed by evil companies and the fascist US government it means the snake is up to something. As I explained in another reply here. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That's your keyword because I can't remember the rest permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago* I support Ishmael. Edit. I thought op was talking about the guy from Pennsylvania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 16 points 5 months ago (1 child) America has maggots growing out of its dead decomposing flesh. There's nothing left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago Flesh eating screw worms are the new maggots or so I hear permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago Flesh eating screw worms are the new maggots or so I hear permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 32 points 5 months ago (2 children) The most progressive communist social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive social democrat representative lately. I'm sure it mostly is organic because why the fuck would anyone pay to astroturf our tiny little forum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -17 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed? At all? There's probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist...of course there's gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting. And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -17 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed? At all? There's probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist...of course there's gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting. And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) LMAO you don't think this platform is astroturfed? At all? There's probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist...of course there's gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting. And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 11 points 5 months ago Probably a federation issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* Communists tend to be critical of social democrats, considering the question of advancing to socialism or reforming capitalism is an irreconcilable schism. It's absolutely organic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (24 children) Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago Confidently wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [+] kurwa@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (18 children) I don't even understand the policy you're complaining about lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 11 points 5 months ago (17 children) i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago Confidently wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 14 points 5 months ago Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kurwa@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (18 children) I don't even understand the policy you're complaining about lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 11 points 5 months ago (17 children) i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Salamence@mander.xyz [S] 11 points 5 months ago (17 children) i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* No dude, his proposal is a genuine recipe for disaster. I mean, disaster for Americans not for the AI companies. Do you think 50% ownership in these companies mean governance? Maybe but it's not going to stop them from spending like crazy, which they already are. Bernie is framing it as democracisation of profits, but with an impending bubble that's about to pop, it will most likely end up with democratization of losses. What's worse this also would become a very nice excuse for future bailouts as now millions of people's wealth is tied to the companies. In long term, it's going to benefit the AI companies more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it. And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don't need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago Unlike gullible libs, most ML's aren't fooled by Bernie the Sheepdog and zio whitewasher. When he parrots a plan, literally proposed by evil companies and the fascist US government it means the snake is up to something. As I explained in another reply here. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That's your keyword because I can't remember the rest permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That's your keyword because I can't remember the rest permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That's your keyword because I can't remember the rest permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago* I support Ishmael. Edit. I thought op was talking about the guy from Pennsylvania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago* I support Ishmael. Edit. I thought op was talking about the guy from Pennsylvania. permalink fedilink source parent