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'There is no universe in which Proton VPN compromises its no-logs policy' — Proton joins the backlash against Canada's surveillance bill (www.techradar.com)
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[+] -23 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Importantly, not to be confused with their email service's IP logging

https://cyberinsider.com/protonmail-logs-users/

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  • [–] 82 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    This AGAIN? They were ordered by a Swiss court to log the IP accessing the mailbox, (which the court granted because the French authorities cited terrorism as a reason, completely overblown charges). They do NOT log IPs by default, and if you do not comply with court orders of the country you are based in, you can close up shop.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    if you do not comply with court orders of the country you are based in, you can close up shop

    This is exactly the case for every VPN and network operator. Some take steps to remediate issues around anonymity, and some even offer ways to pay anonymously, but no company is going to break the law for you.

    I have issues with Proton's head being far too conciliatory to Trump, but the email thing wasn't something they could do anything about, because it's an inherent flaw with how email works; it was a court order to which they were compelled to comply, whether they wanted to or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Also this agai?

    There are tons of reports on this bullshit. Yes he is a moron and an idiot that he posted something like that and that he doubled down on it.

    But agreeing with a statement from somebody doesn't mean you completely support that person. If you want to be able to form good discussions you have to look at the opinions from a person on that subject, not how big of an asehole the other person is. That is playing on the man and is going to cause issues.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Andy Yen broadly supported the Republican Party. As did the official Proton account's official statement on the matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Link? The only thing I saw was this https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660 and this https://archive.ph/quYyb

    Both are very stupid, but the moment that you fall in a 2 party system and you cannot agree on statements of the other party is when politics really fall apart.

    People will be playing on the man, blaming the “other” party and basically nothing is getting done. If you want to get stuff done you have to find compromises.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes, they capitulated.

    I'm a little more concerned that in your rush to defend them, you seem to be implying that pushing back against the authorities should be the norm, which is way worse than what they're doing here. Surely an anarchist [sic] can appreciate that.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's a reality of our world that if you don't comply with court orders, the court will make you comply by using force. I'm no fan of that, but that's something neither me nor any mail provider can prevent.

    Also, any business has an interest in not making the cops bash in your doors on the regular; you lose any ability to make the courts side with you when you try to get better outcomes for your costumers if you are known to not comply.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you're not a fan of it, take your complaints to Proton.

    I appreciate you sounding the alarm that Proton's PR here is not to be trusted, but you're acting upset at the messenger.

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