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"Public deserves to know”: Harvard Professor says official messaging contradicts hantavirus science (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 10 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I watched the whole video and several times Allen says "... the overall threat to the general public is low". He also says "we know very little about the transmission" and "this is not going to be a Covid blow up".

Yes, we should take this seriously. But please don’t be overly dramatic when there simply aren’t enough details available yet.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    If one guy on the Titanic said "maybe we shouldn't hit the iceberg headon"

    That doesn't mean we're being careful.

    We're still headed straight at the iceberg, one guy saying maybe not to didn't change anything.

    He thinks that people will understand the difference and start treating this like the Andes variant, and that will happen when it's still just isolated cases and we'll be able to handle it...

    I don't trust America's government agencies run by people like RFK Jr to make the right calls.

    I think the gov will fuck it up, and that makes this go beyond the few isolated cases he's hoping it stops at

    How much faith do you have in RFK jr to handle this probably? How long do you think before he puts the raccoon penis down and gets directly involved in this?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    You need to chill, the R or number of people who will be infected by someone with the Andes variant of Hantavirus is extremely low. Too low to result in a pandemic.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago* (5 children)

    It's 2.1....

    Epidemiological analysis estimated an initial median reproductive number of approximately 2.1 before control measures were implemented, decreasing after isolation, quarantine and active contact tracing.

    https://zenodo.org/records/20112944

    2-3x COVID in the UK

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52473523

    Are you saying COVID wasn't a pandemic?

    Logically you are if you're saying R value determines that and 2.1 means it can't be a pandemic when COVID was 0.7-0.9...

    But I don't think there's a lot of logic at play here

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Initial estimates of the basic reproduction number (R0) for COVID-19 in January 2020 were between 1.4 and 2.5,[60] but a subsequent analysis claimed that it may be about 5.7 (with a 95 per cent confidence interval of 3.8 to 8.9).[61]

    The link to the actual study

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7323562/

    Let me know if you find a problem with their methodology.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The abstract, in full:

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 is the causative agent of the ongoing coronavirus disease pandemic. Initial estimates of the early dynamics of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, suggested a doubling time of the number of infected persons of 6–7 days and a basic reproductive number (R0) of 2.2–2.7. We collected extensive individual case reports across China and estimated key epidemiologic parameters, including the incubation period (4.2 days). We then designed 2 mathematical modeling approaches to infer the outbreak dynamics in Wuhan by using high-resolution domestic travel and infection data. Results show that the doubling time early in the epidemic in Wuhan was 2.3–3.3 days. Assuming a serial interval of 6–9 days, we calculated a median R0 value of 5.7 (95% CI 3.8–8.9). We further show that active surveillance, contact tracing, quarantine, and early strong social distancing efforts are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

    So...

    That's saying the initial R value was 2.2-2.7...

    And in the last studied out real of Andes, they said it was 2.1...

    Since you're offering to answer questions:

    Why shouldn't we compare the initial R values since we know both?

    If we have a median R value of something with a best case 40% mortality...

    By that point we're already fucked.

    Like, I'm starting to doubt facts and/or logic are gonna help you here buddy.

    But that was a nice source you didn't understand, so thanks for linking that.

    Edit:

    Like, it almost feels like you think "r value" is a set number and not a descriptor of how it's actually spreading...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

    You just don't understand what the words and phrases you keep using mean...

    Like, if contact is minimized, it will be lower...

    If someone goes the World Cup, it makes the number skyrocket, despite the virus not mutating...

    You just fundamentally don't understand any of this buddy, and instead of asking questions to learn, you want a slap fight.

    I'm probably going to give up on helping you soon

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You want to compare apples to apples now after claiming

    when COVID was 0.7-0.9

    Is that right?

    In the video you linked the expert said this wasn’t a covid situation. You need to calm down.

    You know what, instead of pointlessly having an internet argument now how about we both set a reminder for 1 year from now.

    Let’s revisit this and examine who was right. Should be fun.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    instead of pointlessly having an internet argument now how about we both set a reminder for 1 year from now.

    Welp, that's pretty much the proof that neither facts nor logic will work...

    It's like if I said "if we don't hit the breaks the bus is driving off the cliff"

    And you said that's only true if the bus goes off the cliff, even if we hit the breaks

    You think that if there isn't a global pandemic, it means one couldn't have happened.

    I'm sorry buddy, I honestly gave you a lot of chances, but you don't want facts and logic to try and figure out reality, you have a belief of what will happen, and will say anything that defends that belief.

    Literally no one will ever be able to change your opinion about any thing.

    And the fucked up thing is you're likely proud of that

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I really like how you misrepresented stats, created strawman arguments and just invented stuff that was never said and claim you’re the only one with facts.

    The actual experts are saying this won’t be a pandemic.

    Enjoy having whatever meltdown you’re experiencing. The rest of us will be chilling out in reality.

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