▲ 670 ▼ We should push other phone OEM's such as Fairphone and Samsung to work with PostmarketOS, GrapheneOS, and Ubuntu Touch (www.extremetech.com) submitted 6 months ago by viov@lemmy.world to c/opensource@lemmy.ml 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments Its always good to try!
[–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 84 points 6 months ago (21 children) A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 6 months ago (12 children) GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (7 children) what led you to this conclusion? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (6 children) Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (3 children) Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed. Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) GrapheOS doesn't like anyone. I don't even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn't make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof? *Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 9 points 6 months ago* (5 children) Sure would be the toppiest of tops! We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too! Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] illi@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago (2 children) Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer. Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support. They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone) What are your use cases? permalink fedilink source parent [–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Fairphones are scams permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago In what way(s)? There are a lot of things I like about it from the research I did. I only didn’t get one because of e/OS and the battery life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 6 months ago (12 children) GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (7 children) what led you to this conclusion? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (6 children) Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (3 children) Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed. Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) GrapheOS doesn't like anyone. I don't even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn't make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof? *Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (7 children) what led you to this conclusion? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (6 children) Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (3 children) Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed. Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (6 children) Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (3 children) Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed. Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 21 points 6 months ago (3 children) Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dabu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed. Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 6 months ago (2 children) GrapheOS doesn't like anyone. I don't even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn't make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof? *Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof? *Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof? *Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 9 points 6 months ago* (5 children) Sure would be the toppiest of tops! We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too! Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] illi@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago (2 children) Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer. Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support. They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone) What are your use cases? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] illi@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago (2 children) Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer. Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support. They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer. Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support. They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer. Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support. They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone) What are your use cases? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] viov@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 6 months ago I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone) What are your use cases? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Fairphones are scams permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago In what way(s)? There are a lot of things I like about it from the research I did. I only didn’t get one because of e/OS and the battery life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago In what way(s)? There are a lot of things I like about it from the research I did. I only didn’t get one because of e/OS and the battery life. permalink fedilink source parent