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Which instances have the most ban-happy moderators? Analysis inside (piefed.social)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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I did some analysis of the modlog and found this:

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Ok, bigger instances ban more often. Not surprising, because they have more communities and more users and more trouble. But hang on, dbzer0 isn't a very big instance. What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?

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Ok, so lemmy.ml, dbzer0 and pawb are issue an outsized amount of bans for the number of users they have... But surely the number of communities the instance hosts is going to mean they have to ban more? Bans are used to moderate communities, not just to shield their user-base from the outside. Let's look at the number of bans per community hosted:

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Seems like dbzer0 really loves to ban. Even more than the marxists and the furries! What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?

Raw-ish numbers and calculations are in this spreadsheet if anyone wants to make their own charts.

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[–] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I'm ambivalent about it. I'm no fan of AI, but on the other hand people were having fun in that community and it seemed pretty harmless to me. I think when it comes to AI, it's probably more reasonable to go after the companies who are spending billions developing it, rather than the common people who are just using it because it's there and it's free.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Nothing about genAI is harmless. Copyright theft, environmental disasters, hardware inflation, AI psychosis, general dumbing down of society, and causing the next Great Depression are harmful, for starters. Using it because "it's there and it's free" does not abdicate them from responsibility for promoting an incredibly harmful technology.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I don't believe in free will so I can't really hold average people responsible in such a basic way.

    Ultimately, trying to solve the problem by going after the end result just isn't going to work. Even if you want to blame the end users personally, you're not going to solve anything without going after the source of the problem, which is the development of the technology in the first place, along with the availability and lack of regulation.

    You could make similar arguments about using computers or social media in general tbh. The crux of the problem isn't that people are using the tools that are made available to them, it's that tools are being made available without properly considering the long term negative consequences, and only with a view towards short term profits.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I don't believe in free will

    LOL what!? Please elaborate because this sounds like a fundamental, much deeper problem than what we're discussing.

    trying to solve the problem by going after the end result just isn't going to work

    I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I'm not "going after the end result", I'm just holding the responsible parties responsible.

    you're not going to solve anything without going after the source of the problem, which is the development of the technology in the first place

    Development would end tomorrow if people stopped using it.

    You could make similar arguments about using computers

    Uhhh no, I don't think so. You could make similar arguments regarding computers in the context of consumerism and lack of ability or willingness to repair or demand repairability, yes.

    or social media

    Not in general. All the major platforms, I can and do make a very similar argument.

    The crux of the problem isn't that people are using the tools that are made available to them, it's that tools are being made available without properly considering the long term negative consequences, and only with a view towards short term profits.

    Incorrect, it is both.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    In short, I subscribe to the validity of modern science, which tells us that an animal is an assortment of cells, the behavior of which is (ultimately) described by the laws of physics, which are deterministic. Philosophically, I would fall into the incompatibilist camp, which maintains that determinism and free will are not compatible.

    This is a succinct explanation of the incompatibilist argument.

    You may also find this article informative.

    When I say going after the end result, I mean going after the consumers rather than the producers. It's similar to punishing drug addicts rather than drug dealers. A futile effort.

    Another comparable situation would be trying to get consumers to stop using plastic straws and expecting that to solve climate change.

    The crux of the problem

    Incorrect, it is both.

    They might both be problems, but only one of them is the crux. The reason why supply side is the crux is because it's the only side that we have some control over. We don't have control over the private behavior of the billions of individual humans on this planet. We can't really control demand without commiting some major human rights violations. But we do have some control over what businesses are able to do legally.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, so, you're trying to have a different conversation than I am. You're trying to discuss how to solve the problem, whereas I was just discussing who is responsible.

    The reason why supply side is the crux is because it's the only side that we have some control over

    Every individual has control over themselves. Saying otherwise is not only ignorant but super easily disproven. I myself do not have any devices without DP because I deliberately seek them out, because I know HDMI is bullshit. We can make the decision to avoid HDMI just as easily as we made the decision to choose it.

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