There seem to be some people on Lemmy who genuinely believe that they are an animal. They say they are an "unperson" or discuss conversing with "animals" who "happen to be born in human bodies". They see their struggle as on par with the struggle for trans people, and their right to be recognized as animals as a part of a broader societal struggle for queer acceptance.

Well, this is fucking stupid.

First of all, comparing "I'm a puppy uWu" to gender dysphoria trivializes what trans people go through. Furries are not struggling like trans people. They are simply mocking trans people (whether that mockery is intentional or not is besides the point).

Second of all, you're not a fucking animal bro ffs. Being an animal isn't a state of mind. It isn't a vibe. It isn't a social construct. It isn't something you're assigned at birth. It's about DNA. You have 50% of DNA from a human mom, and 50% of your DNA from a human dad, so you have 100% human DNA (granted maybe you have like 0.1% Neanderthal DNA but whatever). So you're a human. This shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

If you can speak a human language, and have the mental wherewithal required to use the internet, then you have a HUMAN MIND. And if you "just so happen to be born in a human body" then you have a HUMAN BODY. HUMAN MIND + HUMAN BODY = HUMAN. IT'S ALL HUMAN. YOU ARE HUMAN. Just because you have a bestiality fetish does not make you a fucking bobcat ffs

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[–] 35 points 6 months ago (34 children)

I mean if you’re going to dislike something you should probably know what it is.

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  • [+] [S] -27 points 6 months ago* (33 children)

    No one knows what the fuck a "therian" or "otherkin" is. People do not use these terms unless they are already a furry. Everyone outside of the community just uses the word "furry". Is that less precise? Sure. But I'm not here to use technical jargon invented by a bestiality-centred internet community. Speak English

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    Those are English words. They are used in conversations held in English, between people who speak English. That's how language works. People come up with words to signify things that didn't have words before.

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  • [+] [S] -23 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    It's jargon. No one uses those words who isn't already a furry

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (23 children)

    I'm not a furry, and I use them and know what they mean. There you go, disproven.

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  • [+] [S] -22 points 6 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    And yet I am part of "everyone", by definition of the word. You did ask that we speak English, no?

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  • [+] [S] -15 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Once again, you are getting on my case because you take everything I'm saying hyper-literally. Do you have autism or are you just that literal minded?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    Not diagnosed, to the best of my knowledge. I'm only trying to get you to think over words you're choosing to type.

    Clearly you have more than enough free time to do a bit of research, since you care to type replies to everyone in the thread.

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  • [+] [S] -11 points 6 months ago* (18 children)

    Clearly you have more than enough free time to do a bit of research,

    Once again, you are taking my words hyper-literally. When I say "I don't have time to do research" I do not mean that I literally cannot set the time aside to research furries. It means that I would prefer to stab my eyes out with a fork than have to spend time reading psychotic dribble written by someone who thinks they are literally a rhinoceros (and no, I don't mean that I would literally prefer to stab my eyes out)

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    If we go on long enough, will it turn out that none of your replies are to be taken at face value? Is this whole post also not to be taken literally? Are you, perhaps, a closeted furry waiting to realise their preferences aren't a mental disorder?

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 6 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    I guess if you call everyone who disagrees with you autistic or mentally ill, that would explain why you're this ignorant and hateful. Or why you just spout off words without caring about their actual meaning.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    ignorant and hateful.

    So not enabling people's psychotic delusions is ignorant and hateful now? Got it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Calling people who think differently from you psychotic is ignorant and hateful, yes. Glad you agree.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    You realize that enabling people's psychosis is actually really dangerous right? This is why ChatGPT can lead to mental breakdowns

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    If the psychosis is actually existing, yes. You're just making shit up because you refuse to change your mind.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    From Harvard Medical School:

    Delusional disorder is characterized as having one or more false beliefs based on an incorrect interpretation of reality lasting at least one month.

    If someone sincerely believes that they are a fish, and this belief persists, is this not (1) a false belief based on an incorrect interpretation of reality which (2) lasts more than one month?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    The incorrect interpretation of reality here is you thinking furries identify as animals. I guess that also counts.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    You went to great pains to correct me earlier that you were talking about "otherkin" or "therians" not furries. But now we're suddenly talking about furries again? Whatever word you want to use, I'm talking about the people who think they are literally animals

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Ah, so you are capable of pretending to learn, when it suits your side of the argument. There might be hope for you yet.

    But, as the other reply to your previous comment said, not only do you believe those people are "psychotic", you also exhibit such hatred for them because of their supposed mental health issues that it's difficult to see your arguments in any other lens than ableist at best. Would a person going through an actual psychotic break elicit as much hate from you if it wasn't about "identifying as animals"?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    you also exhibit such hatred for them because of their supposed mental health issues that it’s difficult to see your arguments in any other lens than ableist at best.

    So it's hatred to not affirm their delusions?

    And what about you? Should I be patient with you, too, as someone who is enabling these delusions and, by extension, potentially harming people?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    What you should do is reread what you've been typing all over this thread. If you don't think your post and replies are hateful, you might want to look into therapy.

    I don't expect you to be patient with me or anyone else, since you haven't shown any capability for that. But maybe you can engage your allegedly human brain to see why every other reply is calling you out on it.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    What you should do is reread what you’ve been typing all over this thread. If you don’t think your post and replies are hateful, you might want to look into therapy.

    Wow you sure got me! Such a hero, looking out for the little guy by pretending that he's literally a puppy! Reread your comments. You'll find that what you're saying is absolutely absurd. You think defending people's delusions that they are literally an animal is some sort of social justice. Well, it's not. It's telling people what they want to hear, but that can be harmful, especially when someone is suffering from delusions. People like you make a mockery of the LGTBQ+ movement and give ideological ammunition to the right and discredit the transgender movement. You should be embarrassed for choosing such an utterly stupid hill to die on

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    People like you make a mockery of the LGTBQ+ movement and give ideological ammunition to the right and discredit the transgender movement. You should be embarrassed for choosing such an utterly stupid hill to die on

    Nice projection there. Transphobic, ableist, willfully ignorant and hateful. Seeing you go around the same few incoherently jumbled points has ceased to be fun, so I think I'm going to move on from this thread. I can only hope that one day you will also be able to move on. Or isolate from society to minimize the harm you've done.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    If you actually believed they were suffering from a medical condition like "psychosis" or "delusion", you should be treating them with compassion, not contempt. No reasonable person would insult someone for having a broken arm or using a crutch. No reasonable person would make fun of a kid for being in a wheelchair.

    Clearly, you do not actually believe the words you say. You know they are not actually delusional. You know they aren't actually psychotic. You understand that they are LARPing. You know they are enjoying their hobby, and causing you no harm in the process. Yet, you are using ableist language to denigrate them.

    Your bigotry now extends to mental health as well as those simply pursuing happiness.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "everyone outside of the community just uses the word furry"

    "Everyone I talked to says asians look all the same, so do I"

    "People do not use these terms unless they are already a furry"

    "People don't understand what all these LGBT letters mean unless they're already gay"

    "I'm not here to use technical jargon invented by a bestiality-centered internet community. Speak English "

    "I'm not here to use words invented by a pedophilia-centered community, you gays are all pedos, I am here to remind you of my superiority and any attempts at educating me are futile because I don't need to learn anything new, I'm not ignorant at all. Speak English"

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  • [+] [S] -22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So I think it's dumb for someone to think that they are literally a dog. And in your mind this is comparable to racism and homophobia? Get a life

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Your reasoning is comparable to the reasoning behind racism and homophobia, because you are using misinformation as a basis for prejudice.

    Being a hater of anyone with a non-human alter ego isn't comparable in terms of harm and moral severity to racism and homophobia, if that's what worries you.

    Throwing a crumpled piece of paper at someone else isn't comparable to someone throwing a rock or a grenade at someone else, if your only metric is damage. In both cases the person throwing is an aggressor though. Different scale, same mechanism.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, because if you don’t know something then clearly nobody on earth could know.

    You should really reflect on why you’re so dead set on hating a group you know next to nothing about.

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  • [+] [S] -20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do you honestly think the average person knows furry technical jargon? Touch some grass

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