• Technically, the new law will raise the legal age requirement in the UK for buying cigarettes, cigars or tobacco, which is currently 18, by one year in every subsequent year, starting on January 1, 2027
  • This will effectively mean that people born on or after January 1, 2009 will never be eligible to buy them
  • Retailers will face financial penalties for selling the products to those not entitled to them
  • The government will also be empowered to impose a new registration system for smoking and vaping products entering the country, seeking to improve oversight
  • The bill will expand the UK's indoor smoking ban to a series of outdoor public spaces, for instance in children's playgrounds, outside schools and hospitals
  • Most indoor spaces that are designated smoke-free will become vape-free as well
  • Smoking in designated areas outside pubs and bars and other hospitality settings will remain permissible
  • Smoking and vaping will remain legal in people's homes
  • Vaping will become illegal in cars if someone under the age of 18 is inside, to match existing rules on smoking
  • Advertising for smoking and vaping products will be banned
  • People aged 18 or older will remain eligible to purchase vaping products, but some items targeted at younger consumers like disposable vapes have already been outlawed as part of the program
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[–] 223 points 6 months ago (68 children)

Well there's certainly no way this will create a black market, and become impossible to enforce!

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  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

    Come to Australia. A legit carton of fags is about 90% tax, and dodgy darts are outselling them. Vapes are prescription-only. No doctor will prescribe it, and no pharmacy will dispense it. So vapes are effectively banned too.

    The black market is huge.

    At the current exchange rate, a 20 pack goes for £25 GBP:

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    I think a lot of it is because pharmacies and doctors didn’t want this thrust upon them.

    This was an amendment to a really shitty vape ban bill which blew the whole black market up further than it was. The whole thing should never have been passed.

    Lucky country policy

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Same reason people in the UK think cocaine is safer then cannabis, public stigma.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Please tell me this is a joke. Is it because all you Europeans roll your joints with tobacco?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    The UK has this weird thing about cannabis, while treating cocaine as a drug of "productive" people. It is getting better (the UK has a 48% of people supporting legislation, one the lowest in the western world but moving towards the positive) the media is not helping the stigma however:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35820327/super-strength-cannabis-crimewave-britain-streets/

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14v430m62xo

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/cannabis-farm-king-charles-plas-glynllifon-north-wales-b2955026.html

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    no doctor will prescribe it

    Ha this tracks with my mate getting knocked back on this by our GP, who is also a medcan AP. He said go see another doctor for that.

    I actually suggested it to him because he needs to give the fucking things up. This might be why, he mightn’t want to prescribe it.

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  • [–] 82 points 6 months ago (37 children)

    There surely will become somewhat of a black market, but not in the same way as weed or harder drugs. Smoking doesn't really give you a buzz except for the first few times, so people won't go to the black market for the effect, but rather to keep the withdrawels at bay. It would seem incredibly silly to buy cigarettes like people buy weed, when all it really does for a first timer is taste horrible, make you cough, and if you actually manage to inhale, make you a bit dizzy. Sure, some people from 2009 and onwards will start to smoke, but it'll be a whole lot less people than today.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Mate, you got no fucking clue. This will create entire new organised crime markets.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Maybe at first, yeah. But in 50 years, when almost nobody under 60 smokes and it's prohibited everywhere, who would go out of their way to start this particular habit?

    As a lifelong smoker, one of the hardest hurdle to quitting is going out, having a couple of drinks, then seeing other people smoke and resisting the urge to go buy an easily available pack.

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (23 children)

    You realize in the 1930s there was a black market for cigerettes when they weren't even illegal, right?

    Mafias had support from the people, because mobs supplied booze, which WAS illegal. They made so much money from that, they started robbing cigerette trucks. Then selling legal cigerettes, at full cost, simply because the people trusted the mob over the government.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There's a huge black market for tobacco products here in Australia and it's completely legal, simply having the tax on it so high has led to massive smuggling operations, black market cigarettes in many convenience stores, and a fire bombing epidemic of those same convenience stores for carrying competitors black market cigs. It doesn't even need to be illegal. Just too expensive.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    1930s didnt have overwhelming evidence that smoking was stupid, addictive, and disastrously dangerous to your health.

    Smoking doesnt produce the same euphoria and consistency of drugs on the current blackarket. The juice wont be worth the squeeze. Financially, there wont be enough "consumers" for a cigarette black market.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    There already is a big, thriving black market for cigarettes in the EU country I'm in, simply due to high tobacco taxes. I can only assume the same will be true for other places that tax similarly. Are you really saying that an outright ban won't result in a greater unmet demand, and thus more customers shopping at the black markets? It sounds unlikely to me that black market dealers will close up shop, because of a ban on the legal sale of cigarettes. The black market is already banned, but that's not exactly stopping them.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I think you misunderestimate how addictive cigerettes are. My friends mom goes through $80 worth of cigerettes every 2-3 days.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You can just not respond next time mate. When you type out a comment like this; just go "nah" and hit "discard" next time.

    Also, your entire point rests on "they won't do it because it's bad for them AND illegal".

    Have you ever been a teenager? Something that they are told "your too young to do that" is like crack for them. It's not "niche" to consider this major factor of how people get addicted early in life.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Real question- is that volume or branding? Depending on where you are/what brand, that might be a 1.5-2 pack a day habit of higher quality smokes; not unheard of for a typical heavy smoker. If you’re spending that much on ass-end packs that cost you $6/ea, that’s pushing 4 packs a day, which is like legendary status few can achieve anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    How much is a packet there? 🫪

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    About $8, but she smokes 5-8 packs a day.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    5-8 packs a day.

    I can't see how this is even possible for a couple, much less one person.

    I GREW UP IN A HOUSE OF CHAIN SMOKERS, my older sister and brother and both parents.

    Are you sure about this or just guestimating?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shitballs.

    Is she just smoking nonstop the whole day?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Do you remember being a teenager? You're describing something that is extremely addictive AND the government is banning you from trying it because you were born too late. This is just asking for a shit show. I'd rather the cigs be guaranteed not to contain lead (or whatever). Forcing a black market just removes all regulation on the vice. Each year that market will get larger. It's literally a guaranteed increase of demand in the black market over time.

    I really think the methods used in the US to reduce smoking really need to be duplicated in other countries. The US literally has like one good thing that we got right somehow. In comparison to Asia or a lot of Europe I never see people smoking.

    Vapes are a whole different story. But, even before vapes were a thing the US really did a good job at making smoking socially unacceptable through multiple policies.

    We literally have examples of methods that work well AND methods that don't. Outright bans never work with vices.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Who is this fantasy person who told you anyone is going to criminalize people for buying cigarettes?

    It's incredibly clear if you bothered to read the article, that the retailer selling cigarettes to someone under the permitted age will recieve a fine. No one is going to prison for this. It will not be a criminal offence. The buyer won't even face any consequenses, except maybe having their smokes confiscated.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You realize this law keeps rolling, right? So today, a 17 year old is ineligable because he's not 18. But a year from now that same 17 year old is now 18, but becomes ineligable because they aren't 19. And when they turn 19, they aren't 20. And 10 years from now the 17 year old today would be 27, ineligable because he's not 28.

    That's how it creates a black market.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    But wouldn't those people just vape instead? Which is not healthy, but is still healthier than tobacco.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The unhealthiness of the chemicals in cigarette smoke is not subtle. I would be surprised if the vapes turned out to be just as unhealthy.

    unnatural addictive chemicals

    Using "unnatural" as the main adjective to argue for something being unhealthy is a huge red flag for pseudoscience. Unnatural is not a synonym for dangerous.

    As an example, the 100% natural chemicals in even ecologically grown cigarettes are perfectly capable of being extremely dangerous.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    We've been scrutinizing vapes for decades. If there was any noticeable health complications from vaping, we would know.

    "But we didn't know cigarettes caused cancer until like the 70's!"

    That's because the concept of writing stuff down on a clipboard is astonishingly new

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    How I wish there was a proper standardization of formulation and safe limits, because some of the vape juice I've seen are mostly made in-house and often included unwanted unlisted additives and ingredients.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    i knew which corner stores to get smokes at before i was 18.

    the process regardless is very simple:

    1. ask for a pack of camels
    2. present your legitimate id saying you're 16 or whatever
    3. ??? thanks

    they need to look at an ID for the camera but that's all

    also, once I became an adult smoking wasn't that fun anymore and i quit

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